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Stop for a second.

Think about the number of times in your life that you've heard one person call another a "Redskin" in order to demean or otherwise insult them.

(This doesn't count football related jokes).

But, if people want to write out Native Americans from society in the interest of political correctness I guess there is nothing I can do. (Just know that these same people had no problem with the name 2 years ago and it took 6 months of arguing before they could come up with the "evolving language" defense.)

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184 years ago, white people in this country engaged in 'Ethnic Cleansing' of red people

176 years ago Missouri's Governer made it legal to kill Mormons.

100 years ago women could not vote

Until 1954 'Seperate but Equal' was the law.

In 1960 it was a big deal that JFK was 'gasp' Catholic!

In the early 80's AIDS was pretty much ignored because it was mostly killing gay men.

Some morons really want to talk about precedent from 1937 or 1967 as meaning anything in 2014?

The name will change

You just seriously compared genocide to a nickname that didn't offend you 2 years ago.

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184 years ago, white people in this country engaged in 'Ethnic Cleansing' of red people

176 years ago Missouri's Governer made it legal to kill Mormons.

100 years ago women could not vote

Until 1954 'Seperate but Equal' was the law.

In 1960 it was a big deal that JFK was 'gasp' Catholic!

In the early 80's AIDS was pretty much ignored because it was mostly killing gay men.

Some morons really want to talk about precedent from 1937 or 1967 as meaning anything in 2014?

If you are on Danny Boy's side, take a long look at the list above and get a clue.

The name is an outright slur and only corruption has kept it in place this long.

It doesn't matter if you like offensive names.

It doesn't matter if they pay 200 native americans to pretend it is not a slur.

It doesn't matter what a corrupt politician ruled 20 years ago.

It doesn't matter what some PoS who tortures the DC football fans for every last dime thinks.

The name will change

And 81 years ago, George Preston Marshall renamed the Boston Braves the Boston Redskins. The name was brilliant because it not only honored Native American HC Lone Star Dietz(debatable whether or not he was actually Native American) and the Native American players on the team, but it also allowed the team to keep the Native American theme they used under the Braves moniker.

I think it's incredibly poorly thought out to say that because white people killed Native Americans and forced them to move, hundreds of years ago, a sports team today can't call themselves a name that's meant as an honor to those Native Americans.

It's also quite poor how you're somehow tying the benign name of a football team to genocide, as SBorBust said.

Yes, likely the name will change. But that doesn't mean you and others on the other side of this "issue" are right.

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And 81 years ago, George Preston Marshall renamed the Boston Braves the Boston Redskins. The name was brilliant because it not only honored Native American HC Lone Star Dietz(debatable whether or not he was actually Native American) and the Native American players on the team, but it also allowed the team to keep the Native American theme they used under the Braves moniker.

I think it's incredibly poorly thought out to say that because white people killed Native Americans and forced them to move, hundreds of years ago, a sports team today can't call themselves a name that's meant as an honor to those Native Americans.

It's also quite poor how you're somehow tying the benign name of a football team to genocide, as SBorBust said.

Yes, likely the name will change. But that doesn't mean you and others on the other side of this "issue" are right.

So the Native Americans that feel this name is racist are not in the right?

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So the Native Americans that feel this name is racist are not in the right?

So the Native Americans that take pride in the name are not in the right?

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So the Native Americans that feel this name is racist are not in the right?

That's not for me to decide. However, a 2004 poll showed that 90% of Native Americans didn't find the term offensive. That was 10 years ago, so perhaps the number is considerably less now, but that's pretty powerful.

Even if the majority of Native Americans didn't find the name offensive, that doesn't necessarily mean the term isn't offensive to at least some, it just means that there's not enough support from the supposedly offended people to warrant a change.

Oh, and by the way, when I said, "But that doesn't mean you and the others on the other side of this issue are right,", I was saying that just because the name changes, doesn't mean that it was right to change it. I wasn't saying that the name isn't offensive. I think that's what you were getting at, and it wasn't the point of my statement.

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Stop for a second.

Think about the number of times in your life that you've heard one person call another a "Redskin" in order to demean or otherwise insult them.

(This doesn't count football related jokes).

But, if people want to write out Natuve Americans from society in the interest of political correctness I guess there is nothing I can do. (Just know that these same people had no problem with the name 2 years ago and it took 6 months of arguing before they could come up with the "evolving language" defense.)

Shut up you Redskin.

There, I did it.

:P

(Sorry mod's it, was a joke)

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And 81 years ago, George Preston Marshall renamed the Boston Braves the Boston Redskins. The name was brilliant because it not only honored Native American HC Lone Star Dietz(debatable whether or not he was actually Native American) and the Native American players on the team, but it also allowed the team to keep the Native American theme they used under the Braves moniker.

Excellent point.

Except its not true

redskinsnewspaper-638x379.png

From the jack***'s horse's mouth himself.

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So the Native Americans that take pride in the name are not in the right?

I'm sure they won't care if the name is changed.

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OK, as long as you're sure.

Of course it's not 100% sure, so I could be wrong.

I would have won the lottery years ago if that was the case.

Do you know that they would raise a stink if the name was changed?

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Excellent point.

Except its not true

redskinsnewspaper-638x379.png

From the jack***'s horse's mouth himself.

Well, I've read multiple accounts that say that he did name the team the Redskins to honor the Native Americans on the team, but that newspaper article is fairly strong evidence to the contrary. However, please read the articles in the link below. Specifically the one titled, "Lone Star Dietz Designed Redskins' Uniforms."

http://tombenjey.com...ngton-redskins/

However, assuming that Marshall didn't name them the Redskins as an honor to those Native Americans on his team, I have read another report that said that Marshall named them the Redskins to honor a local Native American who did quite a bit of charity work around Boston. However, I have not been able to find the link, so take it for what you will.

Also, I would like to see the rest of the article. Because that doesn't prove that he had malicious intent when he came up with the name, it's just saying that he wasn't necessarily trying to honor those on his team.

Another point: if Marshall really was racist toward Native Americans, why did he have a Native American HC? Why did he have Native American players? Why would he even associate himself with the people he hated by calling his own team the Redskins? That would totally defeat his purpose.

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Well, I've read multiple accounts that say that he did name the team the Redskins to honor the Native Americans on the team, but that newspaper article is fairly strong evidence to the contrary. However, please read the articles in the link below. Specifically the one titled, "Lone Star Dietz Designed Redskins' Uniforms."

http://tombenjey.com...ngton-redskins/

However, assuming that Marshall didn't name them the Redskins as an honor to those Native Americans on his team, I have read another report that said that Marshall named them the Redskins to honor a local Native American who did quite a bit of charity work around Boston. However, I have not been able to find the link, so take it for what you will.

Also, I would like to see the rest of the article. Because that doesn't prove that he had malicious intent when he came up with the name, it's just saying that he wasn't necessarily trying to honor those on his team.

Another point: if Marshall really was racist toward Native Americans, why did he have a Native American HC? Why did he have Native American players? Why would he even associate himself with the people he hated by calling his own team the Redskins? That would totally defeat his purpose.

Because it does not fit the narrative the others want you to believe in order for this to be a wedge issue. The other side assumes that you cannot use Google and think for yourself.

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Well, I've read multiple accounts that say that he did name the team the Redskins to honor the Native Americans on the team, but that newspaper article is fairly strong evidence to the contrary. However, please read the articles in the link below. Specifically the one titled, "Lone Star Dietz Designed Redskins' Uniforms."

http://tombenjey.com...ngton-redskins/

However, assuming that Marshall didn't name them the Redskins as an honor to those Native Americans on his team, I have read another report that said that Marshall named them the Redskins to honor a local Native American who did quite a bit of charity work around Boston. However, I have not been able to find the link, so take it for what you will.

Also, I would like to see the rest of the article. Because that doesn't prove that he had malicious intent when he came up with the name, it's just saying that he wasn't necessarily trying to honor those on his team.

Another point: if Marshall really was racist toward Native Americans, why did he have a Native American HC? Why did he have Native American players? Why would he even associate himself with the people he hated by calling his own team the Redskins? That would totally defeat his purpose.

You and I are on different sides of the name change argument, but this was a very well written and thought out post. A million times better than what I'm reading over at ES.

Anyway, just had to give props. Back to me being snarky.

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Another point: if Marshall really was racist toward Native Americans, why did he have a Native American HC? Why did he have Native American players? Why would he even associate himself with the people he hated by calling his own team the Redskins? That would totally defeat his purpose.

This is a good point. Especially since his racism against African Americans was exposed in his refusal to allow any to play on his team. Obviously, this isn't the case with Native Americans as he didn't have a problem with them being players.

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Because it does not fit the narrative the others want you to believe in order for this to be a wedge issue. The other side assumes that you cannot use Google and think for yourself.

The biggest problem with these name change debates is that it's not a black and white issue. Both sides make legitimate points, and usually neither side gets anywhere.

I'm fairly certain that the name Redskins offends at least a small portion of the Native American community, but is that percentage large enough to overcome those who take pride in the name and those who just don't care? That is the question...

You and I are on different sides of the name change argument, but this was a very well written and thought out post. A million times better than what I'm reading over at ES.

Anyway, just had to give props. Back to me being snarky.

Thanks.

LOL. From my little time on this board, I think snarkiness is one of your strong points.

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eh, its all I got.

Plus we can't scare you off, you have Redskinsfan01 potential. A Redskins fan who tries to look at something logically instead of gushing over every little move the Redskins make. A unicorn.

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The biggest problem with these name change debates is that it's not a black and white issue. Both sides make legitimate points, and usually neither side gets anywhere.

I'm fairly certain that the name Redskins offends at least a small portion of the Native American community, but is that percentage large enough to overcome those who take pride in the name and those who just don't care? That is the question...

Here...this lists the countless Native American groups opposed along with names of sports figures, politicans etc opposed and ones for it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Redskins_name_controversy

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The past day has really make me re-think some freidnships and the sanity of Redskins fans. A few amusing and quite insane things I have read from friends and local fans...the first two were directed towards me.

- I am offended by the 76ers name because in 1976 Jimmy Carter was elected president and he was the worst ever

- I am offended by the Eagles name because it is offensive toward our national symbol/bird

- I am offended by the name Cracker Barrel because it is racist and offensive to white people

- Why hasn't Sea World or PETA called for the boycott of names of animal related teams

- I am going to the store tonight to buy who Redskins gear because not only is Obama coming for my guns but he is taking away my team

- We need to ban names like Cowboys, Buccaneers, Vikings because they are offensive those cultures and races

- I am boycotting Black and Decker until they make a White and Decker

- Why are Native Americans not boycotting Red Skin potatoes?

- I am burning my Darrell Green and Art Monk memorabilia (upon finding out both support the name change)

- How come they never had a problem with the indian in the Village People

- Any ex-Redskin player who is for the name change is a traitor and not a true Redskin

- I don't see how it's offense to Native Americans. F them all. I wish I could scalp them all.

- I am not racist at all but I hate Native Americans so much for this. I once liked them. Just go back to your casinos and rip off white people

- Native Americans complain about everything. It's bad enough Johnny Depp got top billing in the Lone Ranger movie. Be happy for that.

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Someone on another board said it better than me, sooo.....

It is really entertaining in a perverse sort of way watching Redskins fans continue to defend their team's blatantly racist name.

Seriously, it's the most staggering case of mass cognitive dissonance I've ever seen. Oh, and they really do blame Obama. Go out there and look around the internet. It's just incredible.

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@Jason1978

I wasn't there when these people said those things, but I'd guess a lot of it is tongue-in-cheek, and it's hilarious.

If they were actually serious, most of it's still hilarious, but in a sad kind of way.

@Paco

One of the biggest issues I have with those on the pro-change side is how self-righteous some of them are. They act like "Redskins" is so blatantly and obviously racist, and then they act so condescending towards those against the name change for not seeing things the way they do. When in reality, the issue is not so black and white, as I said earlier. I see more of this kind of attitude from those for the name change than those against it.

Not saying you're this way, but just an observation in general.

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Stop for a second.

Think about the number of times in your life that you've heard one person call another a "Redskin" in order to demean or otherwise insult them.

(This doesn't count football related jokes).

But, if people want to write out Native Americans from society in the interest of political correctness I guess there is nothing I can do. (Just know that these same people had no problem with the name 2 years ago and it took 6 months of arguing before they could come up with the "evolving language" defense.)

Redskinna?

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It wouldn't surprise me if the people that blame Obama do it because they think that since he is the first black president in the U.S., the minorities are now uppity.

And they can't have that.

What a joke.

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@Jason1978

I wasn't there when these people said those things, but I'd guess a lot of it is tongue-in-cheek, and it's hilarious.

If they were actually serious, most of it's still hilarious, but in a sad kind of way.

@Paco

One of the biggest issues I have with those on the pro-change side is how self-righteous some of them are. They act like "Redskins" is so blatantly and obviously racist, and then they act so condescending towards those against the name change for not seeing things the way they do. When in reality, the issue is not so black and white, as I said earlier. I see more of this kind of attitude from those for the name change than those against it.

Not saying you're this way, but just an observation in general.

It is ironic that they only pursue the Redskins and not the other teams with Indian names. It is the side of the argument that they never address.

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It is ironic that they only pursue the Redskins and not the other teams with Indian names. It is the side of the argument that they never address.

The R-words are the first step.

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