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I have so much mad respect for Jay gruden and the job he has done just keeping the Skins perennially around .500.  What an awful organization.  when they fire Gruden they will go right back to 4-12 where they belong.

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2 hours ago, Don Corleone said:

 

Stunning, this is *exactly* what happened to Theismann.  He had bad complications, and that is what made the recovery from the broken leg so hard.  

This is also a very good source.  This guy is on a show that's pretty plugged into the Redskins.

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Was listening to a Redskins show that was openly starting the "Tank for Tua" campaign.  Sell off all assets.  Get rid of everybody with a price tag over $2M.  Trade / release / whatever.  Tank the 2019 season.  Hopefully get no more than 2 wins.  Get that #1 overall pick and select Tua Tagovailoa to be your QB. 

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2 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

I have so much mad respect for Jay gruden and the job he has done just keeping the Skins perennially around .500.  What an awful organization.  when they fire Gruden they will go right back to 4-12 where they belong.

The thing is, he's been flirting with a .500 season every year but has never actually done it.  They've gone 9-7; 8-7-1; and 7-9 the past three seasons. This might be the year they actually do finish 8-8.

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Redskins got beaten pretty badly yesterday by the 4 win Giants.  If not for some garbage time points, it would have been a 40-0 home blowout for the once 6-3 Redskins team.  I think the end may be near for either Bruce Allen or Jay Gruden (or both).  

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Now that the R-words are no longer trying to pretend that they have a home sell out streak or a 250,000 wait list for season tickets, there is a thread on ES that is dedicated to the poor home attendance.  While there are some good stats in there showing just how pathetic they are, this post jumped out for some Olympic level mental gymnastics.

On ‎11‎/‎30‎/‎2018 at 11:05 AM, turtle2328 said:

 

On ‎11‎/‎29‎/‎2018 at 4:33 PM, hail2skins said:

ESPN has the attendance for our six home games as 367,602, vice the 389,775 that PFR cites. PFR lists the Green Bay game as 82,000, when in fact attendance was just shy of 60K that day. 

 

I also don't believe at all that FedEx's capacity is 82K anymore. I'd say 75K maximum. 

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/attendance

 

That's an interesting link. The aggregate data may tell us something...

Like we're 75% full at home but 91% full on the road. And... we're the 5th best attended team on the road. Interesting, all 4 NFC East teams are in the top 11. We're a big draw on the road.

 

So let me get this straight.  The R-words, who have are 27th in the league for average attendance despite having one of the largest stadiums, can't fill their own seats, but because teams they play have great attendance, that must mean they are a huge draw after all guys!!!!

 

:facepalm:  :roll: 

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4 minutes ago, paco said:

Now that the R-words are no longer trying to pretend that they have a home sell out streak or a 250,000 wait list for season tickets, there is a thread on ES that is dedicated to the poor home attendance.  While there are some good stats in there showing just how pathetic they are, this post jumped out for some Olympic level mental gymnastics.

 

So let me get this straight.  The R-words, who have are 27th in the league for average attendance despite having one of the largest stadiums, can't fill their own seats, but because teams they play have great attendance, that must mean they are a huge draw after all guys!!!!

 

:facepalm:  :roll: 

As a rule, I think fans like to go to games they'll win. It does probably say something about how well attended their road games are.

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The Redskins Options with Alex Smith

Posted on December 8, 2018 by Jason Fitzgerald
 

One of the things I have been getting more and more questions about is Alex Smith’s contract with the Redskins.  As we all know Smith suffered a really bad injury a few weeks ago and has now reportedly had complications in surgery that have made his future even more questionable than before. Smith was in just the first year of a $94 million contract when the injury occurred so let’s look at what will happen from this point forward.

Smith’s contract was a pretty standard NFL contract. TheRedskins fully guaranteed Smith $55 million upon signing, including a rather large $27 million signing bonus. All told Washington paid $40 million of that guarantee in the first year of the contract. The $15 million that remains will be paid in 2019. This money is a sunk cost for the Redskins (for the most part,more on that in a minute) and there is no way to avoid the payments.

Where the Redskins have options is with an additional injury guarantee in Smith’s deal. Smith’s 2020 $16 million salary is guaranteed for injury at the moment. An injury guarantee means that if a player’s contract is terminated while he is injured his injury protection kicks in and he earns his salary if hurt. The condition to collect on the guarantee is that Smith would not be able to pass a physical in 2020. So obviously that is a long time for Smith to recover from his injury.

The tricky part for Washington though is that the 2020 injury guarantee is what is called a vesting guarantee. A vesting guarantee is one in which the injury guarantee becomes fully guaranteed at some point in time. For quarterbacks these are often early in a contract and it is no different for Smith. His $16 million injury guarantee vests on the 5th day of the 2019 league year. What that means is even if Smith can pass a physical in2020 but his skills are so diminished that he can’t be effective the Redskin sare still on the hook for the $16 million if his salary vests.

If Washington cuts Smith before that vesting date they do have the ability to escape that $16 million guarantee depending on how Smith’s recovery goes. But the situation gets more complicated when we look at the salary cap implications of cutting Smith.

Smith’s current salary cap number in 2019 is $20.4 million. If he was cut that number would increase by at least $17.7 million, which is the remaining portion of his unaccounted for signing bonus, leaving the Redskins with a $36.6 million dead money charge.   On top of that typically future guarantees in a contract normally count when the player is released. Since Smith would be released with a failed physical termination in March the Redskins I believe should also have to account for an additional $16 million on the cap, regardless of whether or not the injury guarantee is actually paid in 2020 or not. If that is the case in brings thedead money to a ridiculous $52.6 million.

Regardless of whether Im incorrect on the acceleration of the guarantee, $36.6 million or $52.6 million is basically not feasible for Washington. The team has just $19 million in projected cap room for next year.Take off $17 million for Smith and they have nothing to spend. Add in the extra $16 million on top of that and they are in the worst position of any team in the NFL.

The Redskins could opt to use a June 1 cut on Smith. A June 1 cut essentially freezes Smith’s 2018 contract from March through June 1. On June 2 the cut would then be processed. In that situation the Redskins defer the $17.7 million in signing bonus acceleration to 2020.  However the guarantee still accelerates so if the injury guarantee does count on the cap that would add $16 million to histotal putting the Redskins right up against the cap. In my mind none of these options are really feasible.

Washington does not get any cap relief from the NFL for this injury, which seems to be a topic people are discussing for some odd reason.Teams take on risks when they sign contracts and they are penalized when the contract blows up. So there is no special list to put Smith on to hide his cap hit. He will simply be placed on the PUP list next year.

There is some relief that would come the Redskins way if Smith can not play. Per JI Halsell, the Redskins did take out a $12 million insurance policy on Smith when they signed the contract. If Smith is unable to complete his contract due to the injury the $12 million will be paid to Washington.  This reimbursement is going to give Washington salary cap relief but in my experience there is usually a delay in getting those cap credits meaning they usually come in future years so I don’t expect the $12 million to offset anything significant in 2019.

So what can Washington do? They have a few options. One option might be to work with Smith to defer the date on which is full guarantee kicks in just to give the Redskins more time to decide on the contract. I wouldn’t see Smith’s side agreeing to this since this was a football injury and you negotiate these contracts to protect from these rare instances like this one. They could just let the contract playout and hope Smith can play football somewhere. Even though his salary would become fully guaranteed there are offsets on the salary so they may be able to recover some of that $16 million in 2020 if he can play in the NFL.

I think what I might look to do is make the best of a bad situation. Odds are the Redskins are going to have to pay $31 million more dollars and account for $52.6 million on the salary cap for a player who most likely won’t play another meaningful snap for the organization.

If the Redskins reduce Smith’s salary next season to $1 million they can reduce his 2019 salary cap number from $20.4 to $10.275million giving them more money to spend on the season while they have to carry Smith on PUP. In 2020 you do the same if there is no new CBA agreement in place to bring his cap number down to around $15.1 million.  At that point the Redskins will have deferred $27.2 million in cap charges to future years.

While this "kicking the can philosophy” is one I don’t like this is a unique situation. They aren’t adding money by doing it its just finding a way to shuffle it for accounting purposes. I cant come up with a scenario where it makes sense to take these massive cap hits in 2019 or 2020.My hope is that if there is a lockout I can release Smith in 2021 before alockup becomes official and potentially escape the $27.2M in dead charges entirely. Or maybe release at the end of the year if I have the cap room to doit in 2020 since a lockout would likely eliminate carryover anyway. Remember the Redskins will also be getting some type of credits for Smith because he cant play too which will help lessen the blows.

At the worst kicking the money in Smith’s contract allows me to use around 13% of my salary cap for the next three years on Smith rather than using 27% of my cap all on Smith next season and really blow up my year.  The goal for Washington at this point now should be to just mitigate the impact on the salary cap and find the best way to account for his money without compromising the way I am going to build the team.

 

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Good.... Good....

 

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Jay Gruden doesn't care about Mason Foster's comments from private conversation

Mason Foster created a firestorm when a private conversation emerged from social media in which the linebacker said "F*** this team and this fanbase" amid other disparaging comments.

Jay Gruden got asked about the comments on Wednesday, and the head coach didn't hold much back. 

"I really don't even care, it's a private message" Gruden said. 

The head coach explained that Foster was having a private conservation and the converation should not have reached the public eye. Gruden also explained that Foster is one of the best teammates and hardest workers on the Redskins. 

"I know what Mason is. I know what he means to this football team, what he's meant to this football team and anything he said in a personal message was personal and I really don't take anything from it," the coach said. 

Many fans are enraged by Foster's comments, and much of the anger is understandable. Multiple Redskins players have publicly criticized the team's fans this season, including D.J. Swearinger and Josh Norman, though Foster's are certainly the most pointed. 

What isn't known is the context of the conversation, and the type of relationship Foster had with the user. 

Regardless, Foster is the Redskins defensive captain, and for many fans that 'C' should be stripped from his jersey. After listening to Gruden, that doesn't seem likely. 

On the season, Foster has 108 tackes and two interceptions. He's played in all 13 games for the Redskins and also added two fumble recoveries. He was not available for comment on Wednesday. 

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Here are the quotes.... Language so, spoiler tags

Spoiler

 

 

 

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Meh,  he is the 3rd or 4th one to speak the truth

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On 12/6/2018 at 12:31 PM, dawkins4prez said:

I have so much mad respect for Jay gruden and the job he has done just keeping the Skins perennially around .500.  What an awful organization.  when they fire Gruden they will go right back to 4-12 where they belong.

Jay can NOT go after this year.  If he did leave, who could they possibly get as a coach.   It would be the same situation they had with Jim Zorn.   Bruce would hire one or both of the coordinators, BEFORE they hire a HC.  No on in their right minds would take the job. 

If anything, Allen would go and Jay would stay on for one more super tank year, so they can get a QB high in the draft.  At that point, the job would look at least a little intriguing to an up and coming coach.    But as it stands right now, no one worth a damn would take the skins job for next season.

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14 hours ago, mike030270 said:

Not the smartest move to say that to the fans...

The 20 fans that show up for their games will get over it

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R-Words Fans: Eagles have the worst fans!

Eagles Fans: Not according to the R-word players.

 

:lol: 

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18 minutes ago, bwestbrook36 said:

The 20 fans that show up for their games will get over it

Remember this?

 

 

To be fair, they missed the guy who couldn't be bothered to get out of his chair.

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While my $$$ was on "I was hacked", throwing a family member under the bus did have tempting odds

 

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23 minutes ago, paco said:

While my $$$ was on "I was hacked", throwing a family member under the bus did have tempting odds

 

More than a little bit of irony that his "cousin" wrote about not being scapegoated in the message.

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On 12/11/2018 at 1:48 PM, paco said:

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The Redskins Options with Alex Smith

 

Doesn't this article ignore the obvious fact that you can't cut a player that is hurt?  You'd have to come up with some sort of injury settlement, right?  If he fully heals, it won't be until the next season. 

No, the Redskins have no options with Alex Smith.  They are screwed.  If he does not retire, I anticipate that they will keep him on their roster for at least next season.  Whoever is playing QB is going to be basically keeping that seat warm for either Alex Smith to return or a rookie QB to come in and replace him.

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I read it as a "what if" assuming he can pass a physical. 

 

But yeah. They are f'd.  

 

(Of course,  the schadenfreude is dampered because of what had to happen to Alex. I wouldn't wish that on anyone and I really hope his recovery takes a turn for the better)

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