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:lol: I just read that article 30 mins ago.  She really laid into them. 

 

Of course that will fall on deaf ears down there. Thankfully. 

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Oh, I haven't posted the deadspin article that came out. Won't be using my laptop until tomorrow. But it has some GREAT tweets from Sunday's "game"

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Was this it, finally? Was this the utter embarrassment needed for Dan Snyder, who has owned an NFL team for 20 years and watched it descend over that time from the ranks of the league’s proud/storied/whatever franchises into a permanent laughingstock—over which time the one constant has been Snyder himself, making decisions, hiring people, in both cases usually the wrong ones—to realize that the problem may be him? Was it enough of a wake-up call to be humiliated in a near-national game, a chance to spoil a division rival’s playoff hopes, and instead get shut out before a crowd that appeared to be about three-fifths for the visiting team and an addition one-fifth empty seats?

No. That would require Snyder to be capable of feeling shame. And everything we’ve seen in the last 20 years indicates he absolutely is not.

So then what could he have been thinking on Sunday, as he watched the Skins get blown out and cheered out of their own building, losing 24-0 to the Eagles to finish a 7-9 year that started 6-3, as lifeless and feckless a game and a season as we’ve yet seen from this franchise. Skins attendance declined 24 percent this season, a brutal figure given that the team was in playoff contention right up through Week 16. Their local TV ratings are down roughly a third since the last time they were any good. Snyder’s reaction to this was to fire everyone in the business operations office that he hired this summer. But why would fans, no matter how diehard, want to watch this?

Some scenes from a beautiful afternoon in Landover:

There was a football game played, ostensibly, but for the Skins, mostly observers throughout, it was more metaphorical. "We took an L today,”said Josh Norman, talking about what happened on the field but certainly not ignorant of the larger circumstances. "We really did. Took it on the chin. Yeah, so I think that pretty much sums up the year.”

And what a year it was. A cheerleader escort scandal. The death of the fake season-ticket waiting list. So many empty seats. Cheaping out on beer vendors. Cheaping out on quarterbacks. The Mark Sanchez debacle. Milking a dead man. Looking for domestic-abuse bargains. Running battles between fans and players. And players and coaches. Mutinies.

This is a lot for a team that wasn’t actually bad—just mediocre and injury-plagued. 7-9 teams tend not to be so dysfunctional in every phase of operations. But again, the common thread through all of this, every year, is Snyder himself (and for a decade now, team president Bruce Allen). But Snyder just doesn’t get it.

Some close to Snyder say privately that he doesn’t fully grasp the extent of fans’ enmity. Like a quarterback who can’t read the whole field or spot open receivers, he fails to connect his squad’s poor performance, both on the field and at the turnstile, to the frequently tone-deaf moves of his unpopular front office.

Nor does he necessarily see his own hand in the mess, opting to find and fire scapegoats, as he did again this past week, ousting his handpicked chief operating officer, Brian Lafemina, less than eight months into the job. Snyder was said to be stunned by backlash among fans who railed on social media and besieged Redskins Park with angry phone calls.

It has to get better than this, I’m tempted to say, because: how could it get worse? Or even stay the same? Some hopeful Skins fans surely asked themselves the same question five or ten years ago, and were brutalized by its lack of rhetoricalness. This is the permanent state of things in Landover, where nothing ever really changes, but rather the dysfunction finds new ways to express itself. So, no, it doesn’t have to get better, and all the evidence suggests it will not. Because the man in charge of this mess is the one man who can’t be fired. And Dan Snyder is still only 54 years old. He’s not going anywhere, because he doesn’t seem to understand that there’s even a real problem, let alone that it’s him. All Skins fans can do is to shout this in ways he might eventually actually hear. On Sunday they did just that.

 

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I love how the fans say Fire Snyder :lol: He's the owner you maroon - he's literally the only one that CAN'T be fired.

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On 1/2/2019 at 11:13 AM, mikemack8 said:

I love how the fans say Fire Snyder :lol: He's the owner you maroon - he's literally the only one that CAN'T be fired.

IIRC owners can be forced to sell in extreme circumstances

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Good thing Snyder is too much of a hermit to say the n word in public or play doctor with an employee.

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LOVERRO: Why did Snyder bring Gibbs back for that unholy mess?

Not that we needed any more proof that Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder has no capacity for embarrassment, but Sunday at Ghost Town Field there was yet more evidence of his lack of perspective.

He brought Redskins coaching legend Joe Gibbs to the game.

I mean, would you really want Gibbs, 78, to witness the lowest point of the franchise that he brought to Super Bowl glory three times in person?

Did you think what we saw Sunday — a home stadium filled with Eagles fans, a helpless Redskins team manhandled in a 24-0 loss to Philadelphia, finishing a second-straight 7-9 season — was going to be any different? What, were you going to be proud to have Gibbs witness the damage you had done to this once-proud franchise in person?

Then again, maybe Gibbs just made a pre-game show of support on the field with Snyder, giving the owner cover from the wrath of fans.

If that was his motivation, he didn’t have anything to worry about. There were no Redskins fans to be seen in the stands before kickoff to boo Snyder. By the time the crowd got in their seats, it appeared that 75 percent of those in attendance were Eagles fans, and they were loud. By the time the fourth quarter came around, the few Redskins fans who were there headed for the exits, ridiculed by Philadelphia fans as they left.

Or perhaps Snyder was laying the groundwork for one more Hail Mary pass to save his pathetic standing among the damaged and dwindling fan base — another return of Gibbs, this time not as coach but as team president emeritus or whatever title they would come up with to try to sell the notion that the savior would lay hands on the organization and heal it.

That’s seems as farfetched as hiring a team of highly-regarded business executives to stop the bleeding at the box office in May and then forcing them out in December.

Tell me again that the exodus of Redskins president of business operations Brian Lafemina and the three marketing/sales executives who accompanied him to Redskins Park seven months ago has nothing to do with football. Look at that crowd Sunday at Ghost Town Field. Remember the criticisms of the home crowd from Redskins players this season, who professed a preference to play on the road. Remember how Redskins coach Jay Gruden has talked about the importance of home-field advantage.

"It’s disappointing for sure,” Gruden said when asked about crowd and absence of Redskins fans. "It’s my job to make sure the fans come here.”

Go ahead, tell me again the carnage in the business office last week at Redskins Park has nothing to do with what happens on the field.

Now that Snyder has punted his dream team of business executives brought in to, among other things, perfume the poison that now permeates the fan base, he may not have any tricks left to save himself and the organization he has run into the ground.

Gibbs? The last time Gibbs returned, we were only five years into the Snyder regime. Now we are approaching year 20. There may be too much damage done over that time to reach back one more time for the glory of the glory years, even if you are selling the illusion of glory. The poison is too strong even for the presence of Gibbs, a successful NASCAR racing team owner who would risk his lootbll legacy in any marriage with Snyder at this point.

Don’t think so? Look at the guy who was also with Gibbs on the field before Sunday’s game — Doug Williams, currently the team’s senior vice president of player personnel. Williams is a franchise icon, the African-American quarterback who led Gibbs and the Redskins to their memorable 42-10 win over the Denver Broncos in Super Bowl XXII with one of the greatest quarterback performances in the history of the game.

The last time we heard from Williams, he was apologizing for his insensitive comments in a radio interview defending the signing of accused woman beater Reuben Foster shortly after being cut by the San Francisco 49ers following his arrest in Tampa on domestic violence charges. While Snyder and team president Allen hid, they sent out Williams to defend the controversial signing, and he bungled it badly, downplaying the accusations, calling them "small potatoes (compared to) a lot of things out there.”

Williams’ legacy will likely continue to diminish as long as he is in business with Snyder. Redskins Park is the elephant graveyard of the NFL, where careers and reputations go to die. If Gibbs were to return, he likely faces the same fate.

Then again, maybe he just came to see a game. Too bad he didn’t see one.

 

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If they do end up being the new Browns then I may actually be upset that I don't live near DC anymore

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Why Joe Gibbs would even give Snyder the time of day let alone sit with him watching a game is beyond me. 

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On 1/2/2019 at 11:13 AM, mikemack8 said:

I love how the fans say Fire Snyder :lol: He's the owner you maroon - he's literally the only one that CAN'T be fired.

They know.  Snyder is the focus of the anger, they know that it won’t matter if it’s a new coach or GM, it will still be ish because lil Danny will still F things up.

The least educated one’s focus their attention on Bruce Allen, but the root of all the Skins woe is Danny Boy.  They are just saying that they WISH they could fire Dan Snyder.

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Wary of potential Redskins stadium giveaways, Virginia delegate pushes pact with D.C. and Maryland

By Laura Vozzella

January 4, 2019 at 4:31 PM

YHEFKVAN5QI6TAY7HKRMFPSMXU.jpg&w=600 Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder heads out to the field before the game between the Washington Redskins and the Philadelphia Eagles at FedEx Field on Dec. 30. (Toni L. Sandys/The Washington Post)

RICHMOND —A Virginia lawmaker has filed a bill intended to head off a potential bidding war for a new Redskins stadium, proposing that his state enter into an agreement with Maryland and the District not to provide certain incentives to the National Football League team.

The bill from Del. Michael J. Webert (R-Fauquier) would prohibit Virginia from offering the team tax incentives, state or local appropriations or loans to build a stadium in the state. The measure would not take effect unless Maryland and the District have promised to swear off similar incentives.

"I don’t want Joe Sixpack paying for a stadium,” Webert said Friday. "Think tanks on the left and right show the subsidies that go to professional stadiums, there really is not the return on investment that everybody says there is.”

Similar bills failed in all three jurisdictions last year. Like Webert, D.C. Council member David Grosso (I-At Large) and Maryland Del. David Moon (D-Montgomery) will try again this year. Moon said if the measures don’t pass in Virginia and the District, he will consider a bill affecting only Maryland.

"We are hoping to get this thing done this year, especially since this game of pitting local governments against each other is now being publicly played by the team. It’s as good a time as any to not play Daniel Snyder’s game,” Moon said, referring to the team’s owner.

Redskins spokesman Tony Wyllie did not respond to a request for comment.

Webert’s proposed "interstate compact” does not specifically name the Redskins, referring only to a "Washington area professional football team.” The team is headquartered in Ashburn, Va., but plays at FedEx Field in Prince George’s County, Md. The Redskins’ lease there runs through 2027. The team plans to build a new stadium in Maryland, Virginia or the District, where it played at RFK Stadium from 1961 to 1996 and won three Super Bowl titles. It could cost as much as $1 billion.

 

Virginia state Sen. J. Chapman "Chap” Petersen (D-Fairfax City), who has been involved in efforts to lure the team to Virginia, said Webert’s bill was based on "outdated” notions of stadium deals.

"The team’s going to have to build their own stadium,” Petersen said. "This whole concept that people are writing checks to professional sports owners to move teams to their city is a little bit of a 1980s concept.”

He said it is more likely that the state would offer to build a Metro station or highway ramp to serve a stadium, or provide land for it at a nominal rent. Petersen said Virginia still would come out ahead due to higher revenue from taxes on sales, entertainment and income. Players pay taxes in the state where they play, and their payroll alone is over $100 million a year, Petersen said.

It was not clear whether infrastructure-based incentives would run afoul of Webert’s bill. Webert said the bill "wouldn’t necessarily preclude those things.” But he noted that when a home builder creates a new development, "a lot of times the state doesn’t pay for that extra turn lane.”

 

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I don't want it to be THAT hard for 'lil Danny.   I do want him to own the team for the next 40+ years after all

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Where are all the Skins fans who used to visit this page? The entire NFC East is represented except for them. :lol:

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It's a parking space, you tool

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15 hours ago, CountBlah said:

#KeepBruceAllen

 

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On 1/16/2019 at 2:36 PM, paco said:

 

 

It's a parking space, you tool

Skins fans seem to worship the guy - admittedly I never paid much attention to him, but what little of him I remember, he was kinda a d-head wasn't he?

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51 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Skins fans seem to worship the guy - admittedly I never paid much attention to him, but what little of him I remember, he was kinda a d-head wasn't he?

I don't think Jerome Brown was a saint either. Kind of a similar situation. Great player who died tragically at their peak.

Their devotion to his memory is understandable.

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5 hours ago, mikemack8 said:

Skins fans seem to worship the guy - admittedly I never paid much attention to him, but what little of him I remember, he was kinda a d-head wasn't he?

Yeah. Spitting on players. Arrested for assult over a stolen atv. Cheap shotted a punter in the pro bowl. Etc etc etc

As a player had elite physical talent but was overly agressive/frelanced so teams would target him. Think that huge play Stallworth had against him in 06. That was the gameplan.

 

TBF, his final year he settled down with his girl and was by compairison a model citizen. And he played within the system and was having his best year in the NFL. Like, borderline first team all pro.

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