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Why do people consider Terrell Owens so "talented?"

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10 hours ago, ckudrick said:

You must have missed the "outstanding talent," "one of the best to have ever done it" and "absolutely a Hall of Famer" parts.  Not surprising. 

He was being insincere. The part about "probably one of the best that I've played with in the pro ranks" gives it away. 

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12 hours ago, ckudrick said:

You must have missed the "outstanding talent," "one of the best to have ever done it" and "absolutely a Hall of Famer" parts.  Not surprising. 

Don't bother responding. 

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I'm pretty sure he has admitted before he isn't the world's greatest athlete, it might have been in his book way back when he played for us. He was a good athlete but he had a tremendous work ethic that really put him over the top. Idk if any sane person would say he was a mediocre athlete by the time he got to the NFL

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People scoffed at the notion that just about anyone could become Terrell Owens with enough work (and the height gene), but if not for Buddy Nix watching him play basketball, he never would have even played COLLEGE football. He was ON THE BENCH in high school. In HIGH SCHOOL. Third best receiver on his HIGH SCHOOL TEAM. And the star receiver at their HS could only get a scholarship to a division 1-AA program. 

https://sports.yahoo.com/terrell-owens-youve-never-heard-144945577.html

It was a complete fluke that Owens was given a partial scholarship to this division 1-AA school. To say he was a great talent...you may as well say that about any random tall backup WR at any high school in America. 99.99% of those guys will never play in the NFL. 

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So, essentially, everyone can be a HOF caliber WR if they just match Owens' work ethic.  No special talent/abilities necessary.  Thanks for the awesome 6 year long thread, Billy!

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9 hours ago, KzEaglefan86 said:

So, essentially, everyone can be a HOF caliber WR if they just match Owens' work ethic.  No special talent/abilities necessary.  Thanks for the awesome 6 year long thread, Billy!

Tall + superhuman work ethic, yes, 

All that work and his hands still made Ted Ginn's look like Cris Carter's. His routes were still sloppy. He still couldn't run away from anyone. 

 

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20 hours ago, BillySims said:

His routes were still sloppy. He still couldn't run away from anyone. 

Yes, apparently he couldn't run away from anyone.  He only amassed these NFL records because he worked really hard.  

  • 6th player to reach 1,000 career receptions, 6th player to reach 100 touchdown receptions, 6th player to reach 14,000 receiving yards
  • 3rd player to reach 150 touchdown receptions, 3rd player to reach 15,000 receiving yards
  • Through 15 seasons, has 156 total touchdowns (153 receiving), 15,934 receiving yards, 1,078 receptions, 39 rushing attempts, 251 rushing yards, 3 rushing touchdowns, 5 kickoff returns, 23 kickoff return yards, 2 fumble recoveries, 13 fumble return yards, and 3 two-point conversions
  • Averaged one touchdown per game in 2001, 2004, and 2007[96]
  • Has had nine 1,000 yard seasons, including five consecutive (2000–2004)[96]
  • Reached 100 catches in only 14 games in 2002[96]
  • Led League in receiving touchdowns in 2001, 2002, and 2006[97]
  • Third all-time in regular season receiving touchdowns behind Jerry Rice and Randy Moss
  • Second all-time in regular season receiving yards behind Rice.
  • Eighth all-time in regular season receptions behind Rice, Tony Gonzalez, Marvin Harrison, Cris Carter, Tim Brown, Larry Fitzgerald, and Jason Witten
  • Oldest player to accumulate 200 combined yards/receiving yards/yards from scrimmage in a single game

 

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13 minutes ago, Vee said:

Yes, apparently he couldn't run away from anyone.  He only amassed these NFL records because he worked really hard.  

  • 6th player to reach 1,000 career receptions, 6th player to reach 100 touchdown receptions, 6th player to reach 14,000 receiving yards
  • 3rd player to reach 150 touchdown receptions, 3rd player to reach 15,000 receiving yards
  • Through 15 seasons, has 156 total touchdowns (153 receiving), 15,934 receiving yards, 1,078 receptions, 39 rushing attempts, 251 rushing yards, 3 rushing touchdowns, 5 kickoff returns, 23 kickoff return yards, 2 fumble recoveries, 13 fumble return yards, and 3 two-point conversions
  • Averaged one touchdown per game in 2001, 2004, and 2007[96]
  • Has had nine 1,000 yard seasons, including five consecutive (2000–2004)[96]
  • Reached 100 catches in only 14 games in 2002[96]
  • Led League in receiving touchdowns in 2001, 2002, and 2006[97]
  • Third all-time in regular season receiving touchdowns behind Jerry Rice and Randy Moss
  • Second all-time in regular season receiving yards behind Rice.
  • Eighth all-time in regular season receptions behind Rice, Tony Gonzalez, Marvin Harrison, Cris Carter, Tim Brown, Larry Fitzgerald, and Jason Witten
  • Oldest player to accumulate 200 combined yards/receiving yards/yards from scrimmage in a single game

 

Only cuz he tried real hard. Duh.

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On 8/1/2018 at 12:11 PM, BillySims said:

People scoffed at the notion that just about anyone could become Terrell Owens with enough work (and the height gene), but if not for Buddy Nix watching him play basketball, he never would have even played COLLEGE football. He was ON THE BENCH in high school. In HIGH SCHOOL. Third best receiver on his HIGH SCHOOL TEAM. And the star receiver at their HS could only get a scholarship to a division 1-AA program. 

https://sports.yahoo.com/terrell-owens-youve-never-heard-144945577.html

It was a complete fluke that Owens was given a partial scholarship to this division 1-AA school. To say he was a great talent...you may as well say that about any random tall backup WR at any high school in America. 99.99% of those guys will never play in the NFL. 

Antonio Gates says, "Why is this even important?”

Clay Matthews says, "Scholarships are so overrated.”

Who cares?  Tom Brady was drafted 6th Round and Carson Wentz played for stinking North Dakota.  Why would their pre-NFL lives have any bearing on whether they were talented NFL players.  Agents, Teams and their scouting departments get it wrong all the time, why should HS and colleges do any better?  NFL has missed tons of first round talent every single year.  You make it sound like every HOF player dominated in HS and college.  It’s completely irrelevant to the conversation.

It’s sad that you have to dig out their HS resume to try to avoid the fact that he’s been an absolute success with a lengthy list of legitimate NFL records that only a true talent can accumulate.

His yellow jacket only confirms that you are completely in the dark and refuse to be reasoned with.  TO has facts and records on his side, you have quotes from fallable people who carry biases and the ability to misjudge talent.  You can’t argue with his achievements.  

Its kinda scary, but you’re actually making him out to be even more incredible of a player than he already is.  Basically, if he did have talent, he would have amassed records of Rice, Moss and Harrison combined?

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16 hours ago, Vee said:

Antonio Gates says, "Why is this even important?”

Clay Matthews says, "Scholarships are so overrated.”

Who cares?  Tom Brady was drafted 6th Round and Carson Wentz played for stinking North Dakota.  Why would their pre-NFL lives have any bearing on whether they were talented NFL players.  Agents, Teams and their scouting departments get it wrong all the time, why should HS and colleges do any better?  NFL has missed tons of first round talent every single year.  You make it sound like every HOF player dominated in HS and college.  It’s completely irrelevant to the conversation.

It’s sad that you have to dig out their HS resume to try to avoid the fact that he’s been an absolute success with a lengthy list of legitimate NFL records that only a true talent can accumulate.

His yellow jacket only confirms that you are completely in the dark and refuse to be reasoned with.  TO has facts and records on his side, you have quotes from fallable people who carry biases and the ability to misjudge talent.  You can’t argue with his achievements.  

Its kinda scary, but you’re actually making him out to be even more incredible of a player than he already is.  Basically, if he did have talent, he would have amassed records of Rice, Moss and Harrison combined?

Antonio Gates was a star basketball player. 

QBs are not comparable. QB is way more about mental components than scouts have caught on to.

 

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Terrell Owens is one of the most talented and exciting wide receivers ever to play the game and he is very deserving of this honor. We appreciate all of his contributions to the league and to one of the finest seasons in the history of our franchise."

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/buffalo-bills/0ap3000000944804/Coach-Ray-Sherman-tells-story-of-the-time-T-O-raced-Pacman

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This is the first time I've opened this thread.

 

 

That's all I got.

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2 hours ago, paco said:

This is the first time I've opened this thread.

 

 

That's all I got.

It sucks doesn't it? Lol

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On 8/3/2018 at 11:50 PM, BillySims said:

Antonio Gates was a star basketball player. 

QBs are not comparable. QB is way more about mental components than scouts have caught on to.

 

So...now you need to qualify your irrelevant statistic on TO not even being a HS starter?!?!?

Geez, I guess you can qualify the hell out of any statement to prove your point.

He's in the Hall of Fame.  Get used to it.  

I see you continue to hyper-qualify every statement until you can pare off enough facts to try to make a statement.  You've sunk so low as to try to argue that his HS career has some sort of impact on whether he had NFL talent.... 

Just keep moving those goal posts.  You and rstarter can have an exciting conversation.

I'm done.

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On 8/7/2018 at 3:25 PM, Vee said:

So...now you need to qualify your irrelevant statistic on TO not even being a HS starter?!?!?

Geez, I guess you can qualify the hell out of any statement to prove your point.

He's in the Hall of Fame.  Get used to it.  

I see you continue to hyper-qualify every statement until you can pare off enough facts to try to make a statement.  You've sunk so low as to try to argue that his HS career has some sort of impact on whether he had NFL talent.... 

Just keep moving those goal posts.  You and rstarter can have an exciting conversation.

I'm done.

Antonio Gates was 1st team all-state in football in HS. He chose not to play football in college after having been recruited by Nick Saban to play at Michigan State. Why would you even bring him up? 

With Clay Matthews, his father was the HC and screwed him because he was afraid of being accused of nepotism.

Terrell Owens? Bench warmer in HS, no father as HC. He just wasn't good enough. 

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Do you wait 4 or 5 days, and if no one has posted in this trainwreck of a thread, add to it to keep it going?

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2 hours ago, boogyman said:

Do you wait 4 or 5 days, and if no one has posted in this trainwreck of a thread, add to it to keep it going?

Pretty much.  his goal in life to make sure everyone knows TO has no talent.

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It's because of his physique and his production. You're right. He didn't have the God-given ability of a Randy Moss, but you could say the same thing about Jerry Rice.  Jerry wasn't a burner. He wasn't the biggest receiver; he went to a small school. It was his work ethic that made him a HOFer, just like T.O. T.O. is a brutish version of Jerry Rice. 

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2 hours ago, Phila.:chip said:

It's because of his physique and his production. You're right. He didn't have the God-given ability of a Randy Moss, but you could say the same thing about Jerry Rice.  Jerry wasn't a burner. He wasn't the biggest receiver; he went to a small school. It was his work ethic that made him a HOFer, just like T.O. T.O. is a brutish version of Jerry Rice. 

Nope!! 

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I don’t care how much skill TO had, nor his statistics. Football is about winning. His antics off the field and in the locker room cost 3 different contending teams at least one season. I personally think more than one season each. People can’t just ignore him calling McNabb a sellout/Uncle Tom or calling teammates gay. These are serious accusations that have huge ramifications in locker rooms and in the press. The guy was an absolute CANCER in almost every locker room he stepped into to. The guy literally did as much to hinder teams he played for as helped. Therefore he will never be HOF worthy to me. He disgraces all former HOFers with his presence in the HOF. All the men who worked their buts off to get there, and this team cancer who probably cost teams more games than he won gets in.

I cant say this enough.....

F TO!!!!!!!!

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On 8/13/2018 at 10:24 PM, bwestbrook36 said:

Nope!! 

Why not? If you're talking strictly on the field production and work ethic, how is it a bad analogy? 

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29 minutes ago, Phila.:chip said:

Why not? If you're talking strictly on the field production and work ethic, how is it a bad analogy? 

It's not but, Billy Sims will shoot it down

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On 8/14/2018 at 12:11 AM, nottingham14 said:

I don’t care how much skill TO had, nor his statistics. Football is about winning. His antics off the field and in the locker room cost 3 different contending teams at least one season. I personally think more than one season each. People can’t just ignore him calling McNabb a sellout/Uncle Tom or calling teammates gay. These are serious accusations that have huge ramifications in locker rooms and in the press. The guy was an absolute CANCER in almost every locker room he stepped into to. The guy literally did as much to hinder teams he played for as helped. Therefore he will never be HOF worthy to me. He disgraces all former HOFers with his presence in the HOF. All the men who worked their buts off to get there, and this team cancer who probably cost teams more games than he won gets in.

I cant say this enough.....

F TO!!!!!!!!

That's even more idiotic than thinking Owens was some kind of historically great talent who squandered his ability. Are you freak'n serious?

Cost his teams each 1 season? And what season would that be? In Philadelphia, the 2005 Eagles were 4-3 before he was suspended, and that was with McNabb playing with a sports hernia injury that would ultimately force him to have surgery and end his season. That team was going nowhere no matter what, and Owens was on pace for over 1700 yards that year.

Do you not see how utterly laughable it is to say that Owens somehow cost his team when he was putting up those kinds of numbers? I mean, if Owens was such a big distraction, why wasn't HE affected? How was HE the only player who was able to tune out the distraction that was entirely about HIM? If anyone should have had their performance negatively affected by the constant media attention, it was Terrell Owens himself.

And yet somehow he still performed at a HOF level.

But somehow it's a valid excuse for every player on the team not named Terrell Owens. 

Plus, how clueless do you have to be to think that's how football works? This isn't basketball, where a star player who is one of only 12 players on the roster, and really runs things for a 5 on 5 game, can have a huge influence. 

This is a black Bobby Boucher from The Waterboy - a country bumpkin who wasn't even allowed to leave his driveway when he was a kid and was so naive it was sad - who was just a wide receiver among 50+ other players. 

It's also so narrow-minded. Which do you think affects a player more: Problems in his personal life, or questions about some wide receiver on the team? 

Yeah, that player may have just heard his wife say she wants a divorce, and she's taking the kids, and taking all of his money...but why would he worry about that when Terrell Owens was shown on national television agreeing with Michael Irvin's assessment that Brett Favre would have the Eagles in a better situation than an injured version of Donovan McNabb? 

Also, he never called any of his teammates gay and never called McNabb a sellout/Uncle Tom. You're freak'n nuts. 

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On 8/13/2018 at 6:31 PM, Phila.:chip said:

It's because of his physique and his production. You're right. He didn't have the God-given ability of a Randy Moss, but you could say the same thing about Jerry Rice.  Jerry wasn't a burner. He wasn't the biggest receiver; he went to a small school. It was his work ethic that made him a HOFer, just like T.O. T.O. is a brutish version of Jerry Rice. 

Jerry Rice had other talents. Hands, change-of-direction/routes. Owens had neither of those things. He had piss-poor hands and was a sloppy route runner.

Also, Rice was 6'2." Same height as Owens. 

Owens is the biggest overachiever to ever play professional sports. The guys who build him up the most as some kind of "talent" do so in an effort to tear down his character. "Oh, he must be REALLY bad if teams don't want this GIFTED receiver. He could have been the greatest ever, but he's the worst person who ever lived!"

 

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43 minutes ago, BillySims said:

That's even more idiotic than thinking Owens was some kind of historically great talent who squandered his ability. Are you freak'n serious?

Cost his teams each 1 season? And what season would that be? In Philadelphia, the 2005 Eagles were 4-3 before he was suspended, and that was with McNabb playing with a sports hernia injury that would ultimately force him to have surgery and end his season. That team was going nowhere no matter what, and Owens was on pace for over 1700 yards that year.

Do you not see how utterly laughable it is to say that Owens somehow cost his team when he was putting up those kinds of numbers? I mean, if Owens was such a big distraction, why wasn't HE affected? How was HE the only player who was able to tune out the distraction that was entirely about HIM? If anyone should have had their performance negatively affected by the constant media attention, it was Terrell Owens himself.

And yet somehow he still performed at a HOF level.

But somehow it's a valid excuse for every player on the team not named Terrell Owens. 

Plus, how clueless do you have to be to think that's how football works? This isn't basketball, where a star player who is one of only 12 players on the roster, and really runs things for a 5 on 5 game, can have a huge influence. 

This is a black Bobby Boucher from The Waterboy - a country bumpkin who wasn't even allowed to leave his driveway when he was a kid and was so naive it was sad - who was just a wide receiver among 50+ other players. 

It's also so narrow-minded. Which do you think affects a player more: Problems in his personal life, or questions about some wide receiver on the team? 

Yeah, that player may have just heard his wife say she wants a divorce, and she's taking the kids, and taking all of his money...but why would he worry about that when Terrell Owens was shown on national television agreeing with Michael Irvin's assessment that Brett Favre would have the Eagles in a better situation than an injured version of Donovan McNabb? 

Also, he never called any of his teammates gay and never called McNabb a sellout/Uncle Tom. You're freak'n nuts. 

Your mouth is so full of TOs dong it’s not even funny. He called Jeff Garcia gay. He insinuated  Romo and Witten were gay with each other. He also said McNabb was a company man, which saying a black guy is company man for rich white guys is calling him an Uncle Tom. 

If questions aren’t a distraction why is Kaepernick blackballed? Tebow? Manziel? Even TO? Because no one wants a media circus around their team. It’s a known DISTRACTION. Anyone denying that, such as you, is a complete idiot. 

This is the kind of stupidity that irritates the hell out of me. The guy was a KNOWN LOCKER ROOM CANCER. It’s well documented throughout his career. He was me first. He didn’t care how his actions affected his team. He griped at McNabb one time for not throwing a curl route to him on a play where he hit another WR for a long TD. That’s not winning or being a teammate. There’s more to football than putting up stats. If you’re sooooooooooooooo smart you would know that.

Look at all them TO stats......ANY RINGS? 

Moss....ANY RINGS?

Dez Bryant....ANY RINGS?

Ocho Cinco.....ANY RINGS?

Id take guys like Rod Smith, Hines Ward, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne and so on who were team players over TO all day. They were professionals and good teammates. You know what they all got?!!!!! 💍

 

 

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