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After four years, isn't it apparent that Carr has settled into what many observers thought from the start? A talented, somewhat flawed quarterback who would become a competent, above average starter but not quite at the level of the league's elites?

No one would care if not for some misguided fool's absurd and misguided devotion.

The idea that he would become better than Aaron Rodgers was always laughable.

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On 1/1/2018 at 12:22 AM, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

After four years, isn't it apparent that Carr has settled into what many observers thought from the start? A talented, somewhat flawed quarterback who would become a competent, above average starter but not quite at the level of the league's elites?

No one would care if not for some misguided fool's absurd and misguided devotion.

The idea that he would become better than Aaron Rodgers was always laughable.

That sums up this thread.

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Concerns emerge regarding Jon Gruden/Derek Carr relationship

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/04/concerns-emerge-regarding-jon-gruden-derek-carr-relationship/

Barring an twelfth-hour screwup of which few owners are capable (no comment on whether Mark Davis is one of them), Jon Gruden will be the next head coach of the Raiders. Which means that Gruden eventually will be working directly with quarterback Derek Carr.

Sure, Gruden told Carr during a snarling QB Camp interview that Gruden would want Carr to be his quarterback (specifically, in comparison to his brother David), and there’s a chance that’s actually the truth. (Gruden has a well-earned reputation of saying good things about anyone and everyone, part of a nine-year long con calculated toward this specific moment.) The more important truth is whether Derek wants Gruden.

More specifically, the more important truth is whether Carr will still want Gruden to be his coach, after dealing with Gruden for a while.

Per a league source, there’s a real concern that Carr won’t be able to put up with Gruden’s style for very long. Gruden will ride him and needle him and yell at him and criticize him and ride him some more. Carr will have to learn how to deal with that, or Carr won’t last.

And that’s ultimately the concern: Carr, given the way he’s wired, may not make it with Gruden.

"Jon Gruden is not easy to deal with,” PFT Live co-host Chris Simms told me by phone on Thursday. "He’s in your face, he’s blunt, he’s extremely honest. At the same time, he’ll be extra hard on a quarterback if he knows the kid has talent. The quarterback has to remember it’s only because he wants him to be better and knows he can be better. . . . If he wasn’t yelling at you, that’s the bigger concern. It’s all for the greater good. It’s only going to make you a better quarterback.”

Simms explained that Gruden regards his offense as an expensive sports car that he has loaned to the quarterback.

"You’ve got the keys to his red Lamborghini,” Simms said. "When there’s a lane to go to 100 [miles per hour], you’d better go 100. But you’d better not scratch it, either.”

Simms said that, in the end, the haranguing is "all to make you better,” and that Carr will "learn more football under Gruden than he’s learned in his entire career.”

If Carr can handle it.

Here’s a prime example of the dynamic Carr will be dealing with. Remember his Superman routine after running for a first down late in the Cowboys game, when he lunged unnecessarily for the pylon and fumbled out of the end zone, essentially ending the game? Carr compared it to taking the last shot in a basketball game; Gruden will compare it to crashing the red Lamborghini, because there was still time to get out of bounds and take that last shot without trying to do too much.

And Gruden will let Carr hear it, if that happens again. (Gruden probably will let him hear about it during their first meeting.) And if Carr can’t take it, Carr won’t be long for the Raiders.

Coincidentally, Carr’s gigantic contract has a fairly early out for the team, allowing them to dump him after 2018 with only a $7.5 million cap charge, at a cash outlay over two years of less than $48 million. After spending a full season with Gruden, Carr may be willing to pay back some of that money in order to get out of town.

I’m kidding about that. Maybe. Sort of. Not really.

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So after reading that PFT article, to me it's more so Chris Simms talking about his experience and trying to pass it off on there being a potential problem between Carr & Gruden. I personally don't think there'd be a problem between Gruden & Carr. We all know Gruden's never really developed a QB but this time he's walking into a good situation with a proven QB who's looking to rebound from a down year.

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30 minutes ago, Greg Garrity said:

Nick Foles 2-1 and NFC Champion qb

Derek Carr 0-0 

Super Bowl appearances:

Nick Foles 1

Derek the Carr 0

I do believe we've probably seen the last of rstarter for a long time.

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15 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Super Bowl appearances:

Nick Foles 1

Derek the Carr 0

I do believe we've probably seen the last of rstarter for a long time.

I hope the other tool comes back so I can finish him, but I doubt it.

@RememberTheKoy

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22 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Super Bowl appearances:

Nick Foles 1

Derek the Carr 0

I do believe we've probably seen the last of rstarter for a long time.

He probably offed himself once realizing his.golden boy is just another guy.

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26 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I hope the other tool comes back so I can finish him, but I doubt it.

@RememberTheKoy

I don't think that p.o.s. has the sack to show his face here again. 

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Just now, vsptroops said:

I don't think that p.o.s. has the sack to show his face here again. 

He shouldn’t, but I am waiting if he does, gonna pull his heart out through his throat

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40 minutes ago, downundermike said:

He shouldn’t, but I am waiting if he does, gonna pull his heart out through his throat

Then shove it back up his ***?

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16 hours ago, Greg Garrity said:

Nick Foles 2-1 and NFC Champion qb

Derek Carr 0-0 

 

 

 

15 hours ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Super Bowl appearances:

Nick Foles 1

Derek the Carr 0

I do believe we've probably seen the last of rstarter for a long time.

:roll:

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He will never come back to these boards after this ... He cant even try to do a Morris or RTK at this point 

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33 minutes ago, NE.Jon said:

He will never come back to these boards after this ... He cant even try to do a Morris or RTK at this point 

Yep, after Nick Foles closes the deal, we should get a day to gloat in this thread, then have the Mod's change the title to the "Ongoing Nick Foles is better than Derek Carr Thread" and lock it up.

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On 9/2/2014 at 11:17 AM, rstarter said:

Who's the better QB Nick Foles or Derek Carr?

Well, which was the first to win a Playoff game? Conference Championship? Play in a Super Bowl? (I'll ammend this, should we win LII to add that accomplishment.)

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On 9/4/2014 at 8:01 PM, rstarter said:

I'll have no issue saying I'm wrong if Carr proves to be a "bust". People here want to say that Foles is the better QB. Care to give reasons?

As of this day, in the post season (in 3 games) he's 2-1:

72/96 75% 793 YDS 5 TDs 0 INTs with a Passer Rating of 116.4

Derek Carr in the post season is 0-0:

0/0 0% 0 YDS 0 TDs 0 INTs with a Passer Rating of 0

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On 1/23/2018 at 3:28 PM, NE.Jon said:

He will never come back to these boards after this ... He cant even try to do a Morris or RTK at this point 

Hasn't logged in since Oct 31st.

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7 hours ago, NOTW said:

Hasn't logged in since Oct 31st.

That may or may not be accurate. If you look at my profile, it says I haven't logged in since November 6th.

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1 minute ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

That may or may not be accurate. If you look at my profile, it says I haven't logged in since November 6th.

Hmm.  Edwin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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4 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Hmm.  Edwin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you log in 'anonymously', it doesn't log the date. So there's no way to know if he's been reading this thread or not. Plus, I think this forum is open to non-members. So he could just come and read it without logging in.

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On 1/6/2017 at 1:24 PM, rstarter said:

All this talk from these busters that were about that "TD, first down, get down" spiel when Foles was the QB. And let's be serious Wentz will never have the arm talent that Carr has. More TDs less INTs while having one of the worst receivers and worst running game, helping him play the NFLs toughest schedule. But Wentz is the better QB? G. T. F. O. H!!!!

Oh dear Lord. No wonder you got the f out

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He can no longer put up an argument about Foles .Having been proven so, so wrong. Now he has switched it to Wentz  not being better than Carr?  This guy is definitely on some brain altering drug. Or is just plain stupid. :chair:

 

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