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  31 minutes ago, 1wrangler said:
  44 minutes ago, stine said:

He meant improving by where he stands on the board. Players are constantly moving up or down draft boards until May. You may say his shoulder injuries are healed, but we all know once anything gets operated on, it is more prone to getting re-injured. Not a good sign IMO....

Lets say for argument sake that Fournette has never been injured. I don't know if that is true. If he has played Pop Warner, High School, and College ball and has never been injured, that would be amazing in itself but what are his chances of not being injured in the NFL the way he runs the ball? His running style (trying to run over everyone he comes in contact with) does not translate to staying healthy at the next level in my opinion. I see concussions in his future. Just ask Earl Campbell. In today's game you sit out with concussions and rightfully so. Earl continued to play after sustaining them.

You have just written another reason RB's are rarely chosen in the first round. Their shelf life is much less than other positions. So, if you had the choice of grabbing a top 2 or 3 talent of a CB or a OT vs. Top 1-2 RB in the first round, who would you rather grab? Someone that most likely last 4-5 years or another that will be there 10?

No guarantee's on player longevity in the Not For Long league although I think Cook's running style is more prone to longevity than Fournette's. I do however have players listed in my top ten along with both RB's that I would choose ahead of them if we get to pick 14 and two or three of my listed players are still on the board together.

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OK, So other than Elliott, who has had great success drafted in the first round since AP? you cannot think of too many can you? Maybe this is the reason RB's are not drafted in round 1 too much anymore....
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2025585-have-we-seen-the-last-of-the-first-round-running-back-in-the-nfl-draft

The jury is still out on Elliot as well in my opinion but I would have taken him in the first round with our 8th pick. Sometimes you have to think outside the box. Wentz is still young and learning. I believe he needs a security blanket to take some of the pressure off of him. That security blanket doesn't always have to be a receiver or a tight end. Sure we could get him his security blanket in a later round but we could also get him a dynamic security blanket in the first round. Like DC has previously stated, the Eagles haven't taken a running back in the first round since 1986. But what I have stated is that the Eagles haven't won a Championship since 1960. Maybe the old way of doing things is due for a change.

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Well, you have your opinion. It may be what the Eagles do. I have no clue TBT. But I just feel grabbing a RB in the first round is a mistake. McCoy was drafted round 2. Jamaal Charles in round 3. This year RB's are suppose to be the best crop in a long time. so why grab one in the first round? I guess we will find out soon enough my friend.

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Well, you have your opinion. It may be what the Eagles do. I have no clue TBT. But I just feel grabbing a RB in the first round is a mistake. McCoy was drafted round 2. Jamaal Charles in round 3. This year RB's are suppose to be the best crop in a long time. so why grab one in the first round? I guess we will find out soon enough my friend.

It doesn't matter what I would do anyway! What matters is what Joe Douglas will do. I am just an amateur talent evaluator that does it for fun. My gut instinct tells me that neither a CB or a RB will be taken in the first round.

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I just Hope Joe Douglas has learned allot in Baltimore. They have historically drafted well over the last dozen years. I would be happy if we di as well....

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Cincinnati has had no draft picks in the top 20 past 4 drafts. But they were in the play-off hunt each year.... Look, most teams get one or two drafts with a pick lower than 20 over a 5-10 year span. Point is I named a couple who never seem to have an issue because they draft well and sign the right players in free agency. That is how they can compete each year. Granted, they have a HOF QB, but they still need other players. Last I looked at least 22 are needed.....

Oh so you we are being selective now from never selecting top 20 to only going back 4 drafts? Coz if you go back just a few more you will see when the Red Rifle n AJ Green were selected. Playoffs ever since.

How many of Pats players are their own though? Wrang posted article about how Pats grade their top 20 as 1st rounders n the rest 2nd so on so on. Roseman has even said something similar with being in a good position picking in the top 20.

Why cant we just take the best player there? Think peeps are getting pick n player greedy now lol

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Not sure how the Eagles have their draft board to be honest. They may have top 10 then next 10. If they feel 5 or 6 players grade out the same from 14-20, why not trade back? It is all semantics. We do not know how or who they have graded how or when. So we all can just throw out how we feel they should go. You are not wrong, either am I or Wrang. It is how we feel.

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  2 hours ago, 1wrangler said:
  2 hours ago, stine said:

He meant improving by where he stands on the board. Players are constantly moving up or down draft boards until May. You may say his shoulder injuries are healed, but we all know once anything gets operated on, it is more prone to getting re-injured. Not a good sign IMO....

Lets say for argument sake that Fournette has never been injured. I don't know if that is true. If he has played Pop Warner, High School, and College ball and has never been injured, that would be amazing in itself but what are his chances of not being injured in the NFL the way he runs the ball? His running style (trying to run over everyone he comes in contact with) does not translate to staying healthy at the next level in my opinion. I see concussions in his future. Just ask Earl Campbell. In today's game you sit out with concussions and rightfully so. Earl continued to play after sustaining them.

You have just written another reason RB's are rarely chosen in the first round. Their shelf life is much less than other positions. So, if you had the choice of grabbing a top 2 or 3 talent of a CB or a OT vs. Top 1-2 RB in the first round, who would you rather grab? Someone that most likely last 4-5 years or another that will be there 10?

If RB's only last 4-5 years,then why not get a good one every 3-4? if a 1st round RB lasts 4-5 years,so does a 6th rounder

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  2 hours ago, stine said:
  2 hours ago, 1wrangler said:
  2 hours ago, stine said:

He meant improving by where he stands on the board. Players are constantly moving up or down draft boards until May. You may say his shoulder injuries are healed, but we all know once anything gets operated on, it is more prone to getting re-injured. Not a good sign IMO....

Lets say for argument sake that Fournette has never been injured. I don't know if that is true. If he has played Pop Warner, High School, and College ball and has never been injured, that would be amazing in itself but what are his chances of not being injured in the NFL the way he runs the ball? His running style (trying to run over everyone he comes in contact with) does not translate to staying healthy at the next level in my opinion. I see concussions in his future. Just ask Earl Campbell. In today's game you sit out with concussions and rightfully so. Earl continued to play after sustaining them.

You have just written another reason RB's are rarely chosen in the first round. Their shelf life is much less than other positions. So, if you had the choice of grabbing a top 2 or 3 talent of a CB or a OT vs. Top 1-2 RB in the first round, who would you rather grab? Someone that most likely last 4-5 years or another that will be there 10?

If RB's only last 4-5 years,then why not get a good one every 3-4? if a 1st round RB lasts 4-5 years,so does a 6th rounder

besides if you are drafting a top RB every 3-4 years,you will never overpay one lol(rok contracts cheap vs getting a good FA)

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  2 hours ago, GreenbleedinFL said:
  2 hours ago, 1wrangler said:
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  5 hours ago, stine said:

Wrang, You are entitled to your opinions and I understand your stance. However, you also have to realize that these CB's are far and above last year's class. For example, Eli Apple would not have been chosen before the 3rd round had he been in this draft, yet he was taken by the Giants in the first last year. He should turn out OK, but he was no Humphrey. Not even close to the Ball Skills.... So my opinion is that there are 4-5 CB's I would take in round 1, all much better than anyone taken last year. Of course Sidney Jones getting hurt did not help... I also do not want a RB in round one, Especially Cook. Again my opinion. neither of our opinions are probably correct though lol

Yeah opinions are like you know what. Everyone has one. LOL If Sydney Jones wasn't hurt, I would have dropped OT Ramczyk from my top ten list and inserted him. I feel sorry for the kid. Yes I know that we need CB's but when I stack them up to other position players in the draft at pick 14, I don't see the higher value in them over the other position players. Before Jones got hurt, I had two CB's rated at good value at pick 14. One was Jones and the other was Lattimore. Now I only have one remaining. I just don't believe in reaching for the 3rd or 4th best CB in the draft at pick 14 when you could have the best player in another position if that person is available to draft.

Wrang,also though you gotta look at which way the arrow is pointing.A guy like Moreau amy not be a 14 pick in your view,but the kid just keeps improving.So where will he be with tutelage in 4 -5 months? You can't just view these guys and assume they are standing still.JMO

*may

How is he improving if he is not playing GB? I don't understand. I understand that a guy can improve from his junior to senior seasons but they are not playing now. Are the experts taking second, third and fourth looks at the guy and constantly changing their minds?

Moreau started out as a round 6 pick,so he must have been doing something

When did he start out as a 6 round pick? Was it at the beginning of his senior year? Sounds like the so called experts can't seem to make up their minds. I sure hope Joe Douglas isn't like that.

No,the "pro" rankings when they first hit and a few weeks after and since then up he's come.I first mentioned him when he was a 6th rounder

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Still wondering if the Eagles find a way to sign Hankins at DT.....Bennie is gone only got like 8m and Hankins is still on the market so could come fairly cheap and he is only 25 and believe he would fit nicely next to Cox 

Do we have the loot??

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Not sure how the Eagles have their draft board to be honest. They may have top 10 then next 10. If they feel 5 or 6 players grade out the same from 14-20, why not trade back? It is all semantics. We do not know how or who they have graded how or when. So we all can just throw out how we feel they should go. You are not wrong, either am I or Wrang. It is how we feel.

Just take BPA?? They always say successful teams take BPA. Why cant we learn from this. Take BPA. We need talent.

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  11 minutes ago, stine said:

Not sure how the Eagles have their draft board to be honest. They may have top 10 then next 10. If they feel 5 or 6 players grade out the same from 14-20, why not trade back? It is all semantics. We do not know how or who they have graded how or when. So we all can just throw out how we feel they should go. You are not wrong, either am I or Wrang. It is how we feel.

Just take BPA?? They always say successful teams take BPA. Why cant we learn from this. Take BPA. We need talent.

Well we haven;t had alot of luck lately identifying BPA at any spot.MS2?,Agholor? Please, we MUST do better!!!

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  34 minutes ago, GENETIC-FREAK said:
  41 minutes ago, stine said:

Not sure how the Eagles have their draft board to be honest. They may have top 10 then next 10. If they feel 5 or 6 players grade out the same from 14-20, why not trade back? It is all semantics. We do not know how or who they have graded how or when. So we all can just throw out how we feel they should go. You are not wrong, either am I or Wrang. It is how we feel.

Just take BPA?? They always say successful teams take BPA. Why cant we learn from this. Take BPA. We need talent.

Well we haven;t had alot of luck lately identifying BPA at any spot.MS2?,Agholor? Please, we MUST do better!!!

Those were needs not BPA. Come on are we just not reading what has been said already putting what we want in front. Listening or hearing what we wanna hear.

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  29 minutes ago, GreenbleedinFL said:
  36 minutes ago, GENETIC-FREAK said:
  43 minutes ago, stine said:

Not sure how the Eagles have their draft board to be honest. They may have top 10 then next 10. If they feel 5 or 6 players grade out the same from 14-20, why not trade back? It is all semantics. We do not know how or who they have graded how or when. So we all can just throw out how we feel they should go. You are not wrong, either am I or Wrang. It is how we feel.

Just take BPA?? They always say successful teams take BPA. Why cant we learn from this. Take BPA. We need talent.

Well we haven;t had alot of luck lately identifying BPA at any spot.MS2?,Agholor? Please, we MUST do better!!!

Those were needs not BPA. Come on are we just not reading what has been said already putting what we want in front. Listening or hearing what we wanna hear.

Theres this dude who posted his MOCK draft over at BGN. He selected some CB but he had the CBS ranking next to his selection. So you have Eagles pick at 14 his selection was ranked 38 or something. That is not BPA that is a reach n drafting who he wants n thinks we need.

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  3 hours ago, BleedingGreen93 said:

Still wondering if the Eagles find a way to sign Hankins at DT.....Bennie is gone only got like 8m and Hankins is still on the market so could come fairly cheap and he is only 25 and believe he would fit nicely next to Cox 

Do we have the loot??

Nah we still over.

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  20 minutes ago, GreenbleedinFL said:
  27 minutes ago, GENETIC-FREAK said:
  34 minutes ago, stine said:

Not sure how the Eagles have their draft board to be honest. They may have top 10 then next 10. If they feel 5 or 6 players grade out the same from 14-20, why not trade back? It is all semantics. We do not know how or who they have graded how or when. So we all can just throw out how we feel they should go. You are not wrong, either am I or Wrang. It is how we feel.

Just take BPA?? They always say successful teams take BPA. Why cant we learn from this. Take BPA. We need talent.

Well we haven;t had alot of luck lately identifying BPA at any spot.MS2?,Agholor? Please, we MUST do better!!!

Those were needs not BPA. Come on are we just not reading what has been said already putting what we want in front. Listening or hearing what we wanna hear.

I still believe needs are an issue,If every year the BPA is a QB,then you end up with 3 top QB's and no defense.So,IMO it has to be BPA by need.We ignored the O line for many years,ignored the secondary for many years.New staff in place now,so will just have to see how it goes.Looks like the Oline got some help,finally got some worth WR's in here and now we must turn some attention to the defense while still adding depth to the previously ignored spots we(apparently) have fixed such as DE,DT,RB.Don't expect it all thhis year,but we need to do something in those ignored areas(and we will).I have confidence in this staff that in 2 years we will at least be a team to reckon with.Time will tell

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  1 hour ago, GENETIC-FREAK said:
  1 hour ago, GreenbleedinFL said:
  1 hour ago, GENETIC-FREAK said:
  1 hour ago, stine said:

Not sure how the Eagles have their draft board to be honest. They may have top 10 then next 10. If they feel 5 or 6 players grade out the same from 14-20, why not trade back? It is all semantics. We do not know how or who they have graded how or when. So we all can just throw out how we feel they should go. You are not wrong, either am I or Wrang. It is how we feel.

Just take BPA?? They always say successful teams take BPA. Why cant we learn from this. Take BPA. We need talent.

Well we haven;t had alot of luck lately identifying BPA at any spot.MS2?,Agholor? Please, we MUST do better!!!

Those were needs not BPA. Come on are we just not reading what has been said already putting what we want in front. Listening or hearing what we wanna hear.

I still believe needs are an issue,If every year the BPA is a QB,then you end up with 3 top QB's and no defense.So,IMO it has to be BPA by need.We ignored the O line for many years,ignored the secondary for many years.New staff in place now,so will just have to see how it goes.Looks like the Oline got some help,finally got some worth WR's in here and now we must turn some attention to the defense while still adding depth to the previously ignored spots we(apparently) have fixed such as DE,DT,RB.Don't expect it all thhis year,but we need to do something in those ignored areas(and we will).I have confidence in this staff that in 2 years we will at least be a team to reckon with.Time will tell

Thats just being silly GB lol Common sense man youre not gonna draft a QB every year 1st round. We have Wentz so we cross QBs off ok lol If we had a CB n DE graded the same then you would go for the highest need. If you had a DE graded at no. 2 and have a CB graded no. 17 you would go DE.

Roseman said the draft is deep in positions where you could be selecting guys in the 5th round with a 3rd round grade.

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The facts

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/

The conjecture is who we trade/cut to acquire anyone else.

I believe there is no one way to go into the draft. Some peeps say BPA. OK, others come back w/ "well if BPA is a QB do we take him"? Duh. C'mon, the board is weighted by quality of player, need and ceilings of the players involved. You go into the draft with a handful of players you deem possibly greats - no matter position. If they drop to you w/ no reason other than the teams before you had other needs, you take them. Then your board is weighted by need, best available at the positions you're currently valueing most - need, ceiling etc. I personally believe unless they value pass rush more, with the CB depth being as it is, dropping back just a few spots to get McCaffery is a great move. I'm not quite sure where the dropoff is at CB in this draft. But McCaffery comes with an added benefit - he's not just a RB. As a matter of fact, he's not even the kind of RB this team needs right now. A yr from now we lose Sproles. We also have to pay JMat. McCaffery kills 2 birds with 1 stone - start him at slot!  Use the money we'd have to pay JMat and pay Alshon, plus we have a swiss army knife to replace him, one with good hands and sees the play field like none other in this draft. So in dropping back you get extra pick(s) plus trading JMat you get extra pick(s). All w/o creating holes. Who are we going to miss out on dropping back a few slots IF the handful we already deemed "must haves" are gone? Just one way to look at things.

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  15 hours ago, stine said:

Well, you have your opinion. It may be what the Eagles do. I have no clue TBT. But I just feel grabbing a RB in the first round is a mistake. McCoy was drafted round 2. Jamaal Charles in round 3. This year RB's are suppose to be the best crop in a long time. so why grab one in the first round? I guess we will find out soon enough my friend.

It doesn't matter what I would do anyway! What matters is what Joe Douglas will do. I am just an amateur talent evaluator that does it for fun. My gut instinct tells me that neither a CB or a RB will be taken in the first round.

My gut feeling is telling me that they're shooting for an Edge Rusher.

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  17 hours ago, GENETIC-FREAK said:
  17 hours ago, GreenbleedinFL said:
  18 hours ago, GENETIC-FREAK said:
  18 hours ago, stine said:

Not sure how the Eagles have their draft board to be honest. They may have top 10 then next 10. If they feel 5 or 6 players grade out the same from 14-20, why not trade back? It is all semantics. We do not know how or who they have graded how or when. So we all can just throw out how we feel they should go. You are not wrong, either am I or Wrang. It is how we feel.

Just take BPA?? They always say successful teams take BPA. Why cant we learn from this. Take BPA. We need talent.

Well we haven;t had alot of luck lately identifying BPA at any spot.MS2?,Agholor? Please, we MUST do better!!!

Those were needs not BPA. Come on are we just not reading what has been said already putting what we want in front. Listening or hearing what we wanna hear.

Theres this dude who posted his MOCK draft over at BGN. He selected some CB but he had the CBS ranking next to his selection. So you have Eagles pick at 14 his selection was ranked 38 or something. That is not BPA that is a reach n drafting who he wants n thinks we need.

Well you have to have players that fit.Rankings IMO are educated guesses,but not carved in stone.So would you rather have Agholor(round 1) or JMatt(round 3) See what I mean?

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  17 hours ago, GreenbleedinFL said:
  17 hours ago, GENETIC-FREAK said:
  17 hours ago, GreenbleedinFL said:
  18 hours ago, GENETIC-FREAK said:
  18 hours ago, stine said:

Not sure how the Eagles have their draft board to be honest. They may have top 10 then next 10. If they feel 5 or 6 players grade out the same from 14-20, why not trade back? It is all semantics. We do not know how or who they have graded how or when. So we all can just throw out how we feel they should go. You are not wrong, either am I or Wrang. It is how we feel.

Just take BPA?? They always say successful teams take BPA. Why cant we learn from this. Take BPA. We need talent.

Well we haven;t had alot of luck lately identifying BPA at any spot.MS2?,Agholor? Please, we MUST do better!!!

Those were needs not BPA. Come on are we just not reading what has been said already putting what we want in front. Listening or hearing what we wanna hear.

I still believe needs are an issue,If every year the BPA is a QB,then you end up with 3 top QB's and no defense.So,IMO it has to be BPA by need.We ignored the O line for many years,ignored the secondary for many years.New staff in place now,so will just have to see how it goes.Looks like the Oline got some help,finally got some worth WR's in here and now we must turn some attention to the defense while still adding depth to the previously ignored spots we(apparently) have fixed such as DE,DT,RB.Don't expect it all thhis year,but we need to do something in those ignored areas(and we will).I have confidence in this staff that in 2 years we will at least be a team to reckon with.Time will tell

Thats just being silly GB lol Common sense man youre not gonna draft a QB every year 1st round. We have Wentz so we cross QBs off ok lol If we had a CB n DE graded the same then you would go for the highest need. If you had a DE graded at no. 2 and have a CB graded no. 17 you would go DE.

Roseman said the draft is deep in positions where you could be selecting guys in the 5th round with a 3rd round grade.

yeah thus the arguement for trading back

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