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[News] How Much Can Draft Help This Defense?

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  4 hours ago, johnreaves said:
  5 hours ago, rlubrich87 said:

Need 2 solid CBs, a LB, and DT to be where we want to be. Please just make the right selection at 14.

Completely agree, almost. I'd say the second most pressing need is an edge rusher, not a DT or LB. With Jernigan, we don't need a DT for this year at all. Our first three or four picks should be players that make us better now, not potentially years from now.

Stop thinking about ONE year.Plan for the next 2-4.Planning for one year is why we never get anywhere.We tried the "dream team" approach twice and it got us where????

Wrong. Plan for this year at the top of the draft. Next year, take care of next year. I'm not talking about free agents. The guys you draft will make us better now and plug those positions for the long term too. If we draft 2 CBs and a DE with our first 3 picks, we're better now and in the long term.

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  3 hours ago, GreenbleedinFL said:
  4 hours ago, johnreaves said:
  5 hours ago, senhorcook said:

If McCaffrey is on the board at 14 and he is the best player available, take him. Same for any other player.

I completely disagree with you, and I'm sure the Eagles won't be drafting a RB at #14 (nor should they) so get over it.

Bunk,we traded to go after Zeke last year,nothing has changed,we need a 3 down RB and Fournette can deliver that

We don't need a RB at all, and as far asa 3-down back not many teams use one (neither of last year's SB teams do) and for good reason: it's not such a big deal if a RB goes down; having a couple backs allows you to throw curveballs at opposing defenses and be less predictable; and it keeps your backs fresher late in the season. There's no real advantage to one major back in today's NFL.

We traded to go after Zeke? Huh?

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  4 hours ago, GreenbleedinFL said:
  6 hours ago, johnreaves said:
  6 hours ago, senhorcook said:

If McCaffrey is on the board at 14 and he is the best player available, take him. Same for any other player.

I completely disagree with you, and I'm sure the Eagles won't be drafting a RB at #14 (nor should they) so get over it.

Bunk,we traded to go after Zeke last year,nothing has changed,we need a 3 down RB and Fournette can deliver that

We don't need a RB at all, and as far asa 3-down back not many teams use one (neither of last year's SB teams do) and for good reason: it's not such a big deal if a RB goes down; having a couple backs allows you to throw curveballs at opposing defenses and be less predictable; and it keeps your backs fresher late in the season. There's no real advantage to one major back in today's NFL.

Besides Smalls WHO else do we have????

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  4 hours ago, GreenbleedinFL said:
  5 hours ago, johnreaves said:
  6 hours ago, rlubrich87 said:

Need 2 solid CBs, a LB, and DT to be where we want to be. Please just make the right selection at 14.

Completely agree, almost. I'd say the second most pressing need is an edge rusher, not a DT or LB. With Jernigan, we don't need a DT for this year at all. Our first three or four picks should be players that make us better now, not potentially years from now.

Stop thinking about ONE year.Plan for the next 2-4.Planning for one year is why we never get anywhere.We tried the "dream team" approach twice and it got us where????

Wrong. Plan for this year at the top of the draft. Next year, take care of next year. I'm not talking about free agents. The guys you draft will make us better now and plug those positions for the long term too. If we draft 2 CBs and a DE with our first 3 picks, we're better now and in the long term.

Sure, Fournette would be around for 5 years anyway,so yeah lets lock down that offense and we can still get fine CB's and DE's later,so just a matter of choice,but to say we don;t need a RB is not the truth.We lost games because we could not kill the 4th 1/4 clock

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Interesting how Douglas changed the board. Not graded by rounds. But fit and role. Can see a lot of peeps getting their undies in a twist coz i get the feeling they all gonna be screaming that players a reach.

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  5 hours ago, GreenbleedinFL said:
  7 hours ago, johnreaves said:
  7 hours ago, senhorcook said:

If McCaffrey is on the board at 14 and he is the best player available, take him. Same for any other player.

I completely disagree with you, and I'm sure the Eagles won't be drafting a RB at #14 (nor should they) so get over it.

Bunk,we traded to go after Zeke last year,nothing has changed,we need a 3 down RB and Fournette can deliver that

We don't need a RB at all, and as far asa 3-down back not many teams use one (neither of last year's SB teams do) and for good reason: it's not such a big deal if a RB goes down; having a couple backs allows you to throw curveballs at opposing defenses and be less predictable; and it keeps your backs fresher late in the season. There's no real advantage to one major back in today's NFL.

We dont need a RB you say..?

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2 hours ago, johnreaves said:

Wrong. Plan for this year at the top of the draft. Next year, take care of next year. I'm not talking about free agents. The guys you draft will make us better now and plug those positions for the long term too. If we draft 2 CBs and a DE with our first 3 picks, we're better now and in the long term.

Dude it is a RARE Rookie that makes year 1 difference making impact in the totality of annual draftees

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2 hours ago, johnreaves said:

We traded to go after Zeke? Huh?

Yes, at the point that we made the Miami trade that was what the sights were set upon

 

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1 hour ago, GreenbleedinFL said:

Sure, Fournette would be around for 5 years anyway,so yeah lets lock down that offense and we can still get fine CB's and DE's later,so just a matter of choice,but to say we don;t need a RB is not the truth.We lost games because we could not kill the 4th 1/4 clock

The insanity about this is the what if... What if we had Herschel Walker in his prime?... What if we had ANY Heisman quality RB in their prime?... My point is that the closest thing we had to ANY RB who could impose his will upon a defense was Wilber Montgomery, and look how close we came, we came one freaking grease slick (stickum) away from having a ring... Fournette is 2X Wilber Montgomery... he will bring us a championship with this team... Tell me how ANY team stops Wentz, when he can take a 3 and 2 and move the chains with a handoffs

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Just now, mateagle2 said:

The insanity about this is the what if... What if we had Herschel Walker in his prime?... What if we had ANY Heisman quality RB in their prime?... My point is that the closest thing we had to ANY RB who could impose his will upon a defense was Wilber Montgomery, and look how close we came, we came one freaking grease slick (stickum) away from having a ring... Fournette is 2X Wilber Montgomery... he will bring us a championship with this team... Tell me how ANY team stops Wentz, when he can take a 3 and 2 and move the chains with a handoffs

i HATE LESTER HAYES!!!

 

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I Know I have been touting a move up or a move down, and that there are FEW players I feel comfortable value wise at 14... Corey Davis IS one that fits that value for me. BGN has the AO1 story about a connection, and I am AOK with that... One of Very few selections staying put... for god sake dont take the bait on Gareon Conely at 14... if you want him wait for him at 20 or later

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I Know I have been touting a move up or a move down, and that there are FEW players I feel comfortable value wise at 14... Corey Davis IS one that fits that value for me. BGN has the AO1 story about a connection, and I am AOK with that... One of Very few selections staying put... for god sake dont take the bait on Gareon Conely at 14... if you want him wait for him at 20 or later

What and how are you valuing these players? Dont want Conley at 14 but ive seen articles about him and Latt being 1a 1b CB and he could be gone hy 14

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1 minute ago, GENETIC-FREAK said:

What and how are you valuing these players? Dont want Conley at 14 but ive seen articles about him and Latt being 1a 1b CB and he could be gone hy 14

I just do NOt want a CB afraid to tackle if a runner breaks contain on the DE

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Just now, mateagle2 said:

I just do NOt want a CB afraid to tackle if a runner breaks contain on the DE

Many times by design the OLB is in the gap inside... so if the guy gets outside the DE that CB better be ready to tackle... and that CB IS NOT CONELY

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  19 minutes ago, GENETIC-FREAK said:

What and how are you valuing these players? Dont want Conley at 14 but ive seen articles about him and Latt being 1a 1b CB and he could be gone hy 14

I just do NOt want a CB afraid to tackle if a runner breaks contain on the DE

Would you rather a DE do his job and contain with a CB who can cover OBJ n Bryant or a DE who cant contain and a CB who can tackle but gets burnt for TDs all game?

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7 minutes ago, GENETIC-FREAK said:

What and how are you valuing these players? Dont want Conley at 14 but ive seen articles about him and Latt being 1a 1b CB and he could be gone hy 14

As far as scales I trust the NFL.com grade far more than most... besides find me a ranking that does not put Davis in the Top 2 WR... Conely is good in coverage, but you better hope that a good RB does not get around the edge, because Conely will take an angle and allow 3-5 extra yards if he brings him down at all... It is a damn good thing that teams he plays for has safeties

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I'll take a guy with lesser skills in coverage and better rounded in total play any day... Ill take Adore Jackson and Tradaveous White over him ANY day... his weakness is like running round with the best forward gearing and no backward ability

 

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Ok I'm starting to buy into buy into the trade back for a 2nd but for which guy Harris? King? Wilson? White? McKinley? I like McKinley the best there. Then pick up Mixon and Jones in the 2nd comeback and get another CB later.

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7 minutes ago, downwithdallas said:

Ok I'm starting to buy into buy into the trade back for a 2nd but for which guy Harris? King? Wilson? White? McKinley? I like McKinley the best there. Then pick up Mixon and Jones in the 2nd comeback and get another CB later.

I like that whole list... much better than settling for a Conely or Harris at 14 when Corey Davis level talent will be there on offense... F the idea the we HAVE to take defense with the 1st pick

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  37 minutes ago, GENETIC-FREAK said:

What and how are you valuing these players? Dont want Conley at 14 but ive seen articles about him and Latt being 1a 1b CB and he could be gone hy 14

As far as scales I trust the NFL.com grade far more than most... besides find me a ranking that does not put Davis in the Top 2 WR... Conely is good in coverage, but you better hope that a good RB does not get around the edge, because Conely will take an angle and allow 3-5 extra yards if he brings him down at all... It is a damn good thing that teams he plays for has safeties

Really dont care about the rankings at this point. Been mocked to death since the last game of the season. Its only few more days left til draft day. I just want upgrades. Be it a RB, WR, DE, CB, LB whatever. Its a new board set by Douglas. Good record im not gonna be disapointed who gets picked.

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http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2017/4/24/15409132/nfl-draft-analyst-eagles-first-round-picks-charles-harris-gareon-conley-philadelphia-cornerback   This is my worst nightmare at 14... Gareon Conley or Charles Harris... two guys that would be there at 20... both barely worthy of 25

You dont know that they will be there at 20 or 25 lol Put it this way have you put in as much time looking into these players as much as these pro scouts n personel? If they are ranked high on the Eagles board then thats a good value pick for them.

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8 minutes ago, GENETIC-FREAK said:

You dont know that they will be there at 20 or 25 lol Put it this way have you put in as much time looking into these players as much as these pro scouts n personel? If they are ranked high on the Eagles board then thats a good value pick for them.

This is a fact... likely, but not certain... in either case... NOT worth the 14th selection

Just now, mateagle2 said:

This is a fact... likely, but not certain... in either case... NOT worth the 14th selection

BOTH are hype monsters out of nowhere and for absolutely no definable reason

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  25 minutes ago, GENETIC-FREAK said:

You dont know that they will be there at 20 or 25 lol Put it this way have you put in as much time looking into these players as much as these pro scouts n personel? If they are ranked high on the Eagles board then thats a good value pick for them.

This is a fact... likely, but not certain... in either case... NOT worth the 14th selection

Not worth it to you or to the Eagles?

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