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Black Monday: Who's on the hot seat in 2017? Who gets fired?

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Well, it's that time of year again, training camps are in session and black Monday is just a season away. So who gets the axe this season?

Bill O'Brien?

Jay Gruden?

Jason Garrett?

Ben McAdoo - Fired December 4th

Bill Belichick?

Marvin Lewis - Leaving after this season? Nope, 2 year extension...

Chuck Pagano - Fired December 31st

Jack Del Rio - Fired December 31st

Jim Caldwell - Fired January 1st

John Fox - Fired January 1st

Bruce Arians - Retired January 1st

Mike Mularkey - Mutual agreement to part ways

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I think the list is much shorter this year...

John Fox 

Marvin Lewis (We eventually gotta hit on this one, right?)

Chuck Pagano

Todd Bowles

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26 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said:

I think the list is much shorter this year...

John Fox 

Marvin Lewis (We eventually gotta hit on this one, right?)

Chuck Pagano

Todd Bowles

Yeah, but I like my list. Wouldn't it be great to see it happen? lol

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Chuck Pagano is on borrowed time for many reasons.

John Fox must be too.

I think Bowles might get a free pass as that's a truly awful awful roster. They want to scam for Sam!

But for me the most likely candidate is Bill O'Brien! That team is loaded with ability on both sides of the ball.

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Who will be the first NFL coach to be fired this season? Chicago Bears coach John Fox, Indianapolis Colts coach Chuck Pagano and New York Jets coach Todd Bowles own the hottest seats at the moment, according to NFL nation reporters.

We rated each coach's job security on a scale of 1 to 5.

Here's the scale on which each coach was rated:

5: Hot seat: Out if the season is a disappointment
4: Warm seat: Not safe if the season is a disappointment
3: Lukewarm seat: Not under fire but not disaster-proof
2: Cool seat: Safe barring a total disaster
1: Cold seat: No way he'll get fired

John Fox: 5

Fox is 9-23 in Chicago. Let me repeat: Fox has lost 23 of 32 games as coach of the Bears. It got so bad last season that a lot of fans didn't even bother to show up to Soldier Field the final couple of weeks. Fox took Carolina and Denver to Super Bowls -- he has won 128 career regular-season games -- but unless the Bears show significant improvement in 2017, it's hard to envision Fox being around for another season. -- Jeff Dickerson

Chuck Pagano: 5

Pagano survived back-to-back 8-8 seasons in which the Colts missed the playoffs. Owner Jim Irsay fired general manager Ryan Grigson and has only said Pagano will be coach for this season. Irsay is passionate about winning, and GM Chris Ballard will use this season to evaluate Pagano. Missing the playoffs for a third straight season won't cut it. -- Mike Wells

Todd Bowles: 5

Bowles doesn't have a playoff mandate, according to owner Woody Johnson, but he must move the franchise in the right direction. That's a tall order, considering the Jets have one of the worst rosters. Is it fair? No, but Johnson is known for letting public sentiment cloud his judgment -- and the public won't be happy with Bowles if there's no glimmer of hope. Bowles is 15-17. The most recent Jets coach to survive after beginning with three non-playoff seasons was Walt Michaels in the late 1970s. -- Rich Cimini

Marvin Lewis: 4

Lewis is going into the season with no new contract in sight, and even Bengals owner Mike Brown admitted that it might put a little pressure on their longtime coach. But the Bengals have given Lewis a contract after a previous down season. Brown has said there are no parameters that would guarantee a contract, so "playoffs or bust" might not apply here. Still, Lewis probably will need to show that the team is going in the right direction to be renewed. -- Katherine Terrell

John Harbaugh: 3

Some will contend that the seat is hotter than this, but Harbaugh won a Super Bowl in 2012, beat the rival Steelers in the playoffs in 2014 and still ranks among the top 10 coaches in the NFL. Sure, he has missed the playoffs in three of the past four seasons, which has ratcheted up the pressure. But if the Ravens decide to part ways with Harbaugh, he wouldn't be out of a job for long. -- Jamison Hensley

Jim Caldwell: 3

The Lions are coming off a playoff berth last season, and Caldwell has reached the postseason in two of his three seasons in Detroit. But the way the team reached the playoffs last season is a bit concerning (losing the last three regular-season games and being handled easily by Seattle in the wild-card round). Caldwell isn't general manager Bob Quinn's hire, and Quinn could eventually want his own guy. Also, this is the last year of Caldwell's contract, and as of now, no extension has been announced. A poor season could leave the Lions with a tough decision to make. -- Michael Rothstein

Bill O'Brien: 3

Back-to-back 9-7 seasons and AFC South titles would normally keep a coach away from the hot seat. But O'Brien has said that the Texans' offense needs to get better, and by taking over playcalling and not hiring an offensive coordinator, he has put that need to improve on himself. O'Brien has two years left on his contract, but he has not signed an extension. It's unlikely owner Bob McNair will let him coach with one year left, so this is a big season for O'Brien. -- Sarah Barshop

Mike Zimmer: 3

The Vikings have one winning season and zero playoff victories in three years with Zimmer. There have been serious extenuating circumstances in both non-winning seasons, including Adrian Peterson's suspension in 2014 and Teddy Bridgewater's injury in 2016. But coaches are employed on a bottom-line basis. If 2017 bottoms out in disaster, it would be difficult to consider Zimmer's position secure. -- Kevin Seifert

Sean Payton: 3

I have a hard time believing Payton will be fired unless this season turns into a total disaster. Yes, the Saints have finished 7-9 three seasons in a row. But Payton got a five-year extension last year because the Saints believe in his ability to lead their rebuilding efforts (and that wouldn't change if they ever decided to move on from Drew Brees because Payton is a quarterback guru by trade and could help develop the next guy). If anything, the two sides could mutually part ways if it becomes apparent that this team is stuck in the mud and a change is needed. -- Mike Triplett

Doug Pederson: 3

Pederson went 7-9 in his first season as head coach, but he gets a bit of a pass, considering he was breaking in a rookie quarterback and a new system in 2016. He's now on the clock. Owner Jeffrey Lurie believes he has something special in Carson Wentz, and he spent some money this offseason upgrading the talent around him. He's looking for progress in Year 2. Pederson needs to deliver it. -- Tim McManus

Ron Rivera: 2

Rivera was the NFL Coach of the Year in 2013 and 2015, taking the '15 team to an NFL-best 15-1 regular-season record and the Super Bowl. But the Panthers have had a losing record in two of the past three seasons and have had a losing record in four of Rivera's six seasons. As a result, you can't say he has total job security if the Panthers miss the playoffs again. -- David Newton

Hue Jackson: 2

Has the team of constant change finally found stability? It sure feels that way. Players never wavered in their support of Jackson in a one-win debut season, and the team seems to stand solidly with him. One can never say never with this team -- Jackson was the fourth head coach in five seasons -- but it appears that it would take a major calamity to uproot him from being the coach in 2018. -- Pat McManamon

Jason Garrett: 2

Garrett is not completely safe, despite coming off an NFC East title and the best record in the conference last season. If the Cowboys follow their 13-3 season the way they followed up their 12-4 finish from 2014 (4-12 in 2015), then there will be plenty of heat on Garrett. He has done a good job of putting the program together over the years, but it's time for the Cowboys to sustain success and advance further in the playoffs. -- Todd Archer

Mike McCarthy: 2

McCarthy's job was never in jeopardy last season, when the Packers were 4-6, but what would've happened if they hadn't won six straight to close the regular season and make the playoffs for the eighth straight year? Probably nothing, and there's probably nothing that could happen that would cost McCarthy his job this time around, either. Maybe GM Ted Thompson will retire and his replacement will want his own coach, but that seems like the only way a coaching change would happen. -- Rob Demovsky

Jack Del Rio: 2

Del Rio has led the Raiders from a 3-13 finish the season before he arrived to 7-9 in 2015 to 12-4 and the franchise's first playoff appearance since 2002 last season. Plus, he got a four-year contract extension in February. So why is Del Rio not listed as a "1," in that there's no way he'll get fired? Because he is safe, barring a total disaster, really. Plus, a few more winning seasons and, gulp, maybe even a Super Bowl title, and then we'll talk "1s" because the Raiders are going to need a steady hand to guide them through these lame-duck seasons in Oakland before the franchise moves to Las Vegas. -- Paul Gutierrez

Jay Gruden: 2

No coach has lasted more than four years under owner Dan Snyder; two coaches resigned, and four have been fired. Gruden is entering his fourth season. However, he signed a two-year extension in early March, so if the Redskins did something after the season, they'd have to pay him $15 million plus whatever is left on the contracts of his assistants. It's difficult to imagine that happening, unless there is some complete collapse. Gruden has helped the Redskins win 17 games the past two seasons combined, and he owns one NFC East title. The hard part will be taking that next step, but it would require a big one backward for Snyder to consider a move. -- John Keim

Dan Quinn: 1

Quinn took his team to the Super Bowl in just his second season in Atlanta. The former defensive coordinator in Seattle brought a championship mentality from the Seahawks after winning a ring there. He has established a true "brotherhood" among the players, organization and fans, and the best seems yet to come with the speed and talent acquired the past couple of years. -- Vaughn McClure

Bruce Arians: 1

It's safe to say Arians won't get fired. He might retire after this season, but he won't get fired, regardless of how the team does. If the Cardinals don't make the playoffs again, they likely will go through a roster overhaul. Will Arians stick around for that? It's tough to say. The question will become: Will he want to work with another young quarterback? If his health is an issue throughout this season, it's very plausible that he will call it quits. -- Josh Weinfuss

Sean McDermott: 1

In the span of about four months at the beginning of this year, owners Terry and Kim Pegula fired the head coaches and general managers of both of their professional sports teams, the Bills and the NHL's Buffalo Sabres. With all of those positions now filled, the last thing the Pegulas want to do is gas up their private jet for more job interviews. Barring utter disaster, coach McDermott and general manager Brandon Beane are safe for the next two years at least. -- Mike Rodak

Vance Joseph: 1

Joseph was hired in January, and Broncos president of football operations/general manager John Elway picked Joseph over the other candidates, including Kyle Shanahan. Joseph will get a chance to grow into the job. -- Jeff Legwold

Doug Marrone: 1

Marrone is entering his first year with the Jaguars after taking over for the fired Gus Bradley. He and Tom Coughlin, the executive VP of football ops, are on the same page philosophically, so there is a lot of harmony in the organization. This rating could change next year because owner Shad Khan has made it clear that he expects the team to compete for the AFC South title, and a seventh consecutive season with 10 or more losses would heat up Marrone's seat in 2018. -- Mike DiRocco

Andy Reid: 1

The Chiefs recently extended Reid's contract so he'll be around for the long term. If anything, he became a more essential part of the football operation when the Chiefs dismissed veteran general manager John Dorsey and replaced him with a rookie, 39-year-old Brett Veach. -- Adam Teicher

Anthony Lynn: 1

The Chargers hired Lynn in January after parting ways with Mike McCoy. With the franchise relocating to Los Angeles, the Chargers likely will be somewhat patient with Lynn. However, in the team's self-proclaimed battle for L.A., Lynn will have to get things going before the Chargers move into new digs at Inglewood stadium in 2020. -- Eric D. Williams

Sean McVay: 1

The Rams hired McVay in January. They gave him a five-year contract to make him the youngest head coach in modern NFL history because they adamantly believe he is a star in the making. They also know they must have patience. McVay is taking over a team that has finished each of the past 10 years with a losing record, and he will try to steer an offense that has finished last in the NFL in yards each of the past two seasons. McVay won't just be a first-year head coach; he'll also be the offensive playcaller. He will have a long leash. -- Alden Gonzalez

Adam Gase: 1

When you win 10 games and make the playoffs in your first season as head coach, you don't have much to worry about in Year 2. Gase has exceeded expectations in Miami thus far. This season's team is more talented, and Gase has a better feel for his players. His status is safe, regardless of this season's results. -- James Walker

Ben McAdoo: 1

McAdoo went 11-5 in his first season of a four-year deal as coach. He ended a five-year playoff drought. That bought him enough space to feel confident and comfortable about his job. McAdoo, who has drastically changed the program from Tom Coughlin's previous approach, is definitely trending in the right direction. The early returns on him are positive. -- Jordan Raanan

Mike Tomlin: 1

Save a second championship, Tomlin's job security couldn't be much stronger entering Year 11. He signed an extension last week that puts him under contract until 2020. He has won 32 regular-season games and three playoff games since 2014. The Steelers value stability at the top, replacing only two coaches since 1969. Plus, Tomlin is entering the 2017 season with arguably his best roster in years. -- Jeremy Fowler

Kyle Shanahan: 1

After an extended game of musical head coaches, the Niners sought some much-needed stability in hiring coach Shanahan and general manager John Lynch in the offseason. As evidence of that commitment, they gave Shanahan and Lynch six-year contracts to go through what figures to be a lengthy rebuild. The 49ers seem to be realistic about their expectations for 2017 and understand that this season is as much about Shanahan establishing culture as it is about wins and losses. -- Nick Wagoner

Pete Carroll: 1

Carroll signed a contract extension last offseason that will take him through 2019. At 65, he's the NFL's oldest head coach, but Carroll has shown no signs of slowing down. Russell Wilson is only 27, and the defense has a lot of key pieces in place. But most importantly, Carroll enjoys a special relationship with GM John Schneider, who is signed through 2021. Ultimately, Carroll deciding down the road that he wants to retire is more likely than the Seahawks firing him. -- Sheil Kapadia

Dirk Koetter: 1

The Bucs are thrilled with the job Koetter has done with Jameis Winston and with the team's 9-7 finish last season. As offensive coordinator in 2015, Koetter led the Bucs to the fifth-highest offensive yardage total in the league and set a franchise record. The Glazers have shown little patience with coaches in the past -- Greg Schiano and Lovie Smith were gone after two seasons -- but Koetter's job is safe. -- Jenna Laine

Mike Mularkey: 1

Mularkey's first season as Titans coach went better than most people expected, as he helped lift the team from 3-13 to 9-7. Mularkey hasn't had a successful record in other head-coaching stops, but his style is a great fit for this ground-and-pound Titans team. General manager Jon Robinson has built a loaded roster, and the playoffs should be an expectation -- not a hope. Mularkey's job is safe in 2017. However, with this team's talent, a 2017 losing season with a fairly healthy roster could put Mularkey on a warmer seat in 2018. -- Cameron Wolfe

Bill Belichick: 0

I know, I know. It wasn't on the scale of 1-5, but how else to make the point that Belichick has the most secure seat in all of professional football? If the 65-year-old Belichick decided he wanted to call it a career and run for political office in the New England region, he'd probably win that in a landslide. The saying in New England is simply, "In Bill We Trust." -- Mike Reiss

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/32for32x170810/nfl-rating-preseason-job-security-all-32-nfl-head-coaches-2017-hot-seat

I'd say that's fairly accurate, though I'd move Gruden up a bit, Redskins haven't had a problem firing coaches and paying them to sit at home, and I'd move Pederson down a bit, after the Kelly fiasco and a team rebuild, I think he gets at least this year and next, unless he loses the locker room and Wentz regresses. Oh, and on this scale, Marvin Lewis should be at an 8, yet, somehow, every year, he gets another 1 year extension.

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Dare I say, at some point doesn't John Harbaugh end up on the hot seat? I know its 4 years from a SB, but I see minute improvement in that team and another .500 or worse record looms. Harbaugh is like a guy who sold his soul to the devil for a SB. He won, but now he is stuck tied to Flacco. Does Sean Payton fall in here too at some point?

There are always guys who dont get it done after expectations went up. Maybe McAdoo and Dirk in TB could be at least heating up if they fall short of high expectations. The same could be said for Pederson too. 

Can an angel of mercy deliver the Bungals from the Marvin Lewis era already?

Obviously Bowles and Caldwell and probably gone next year. Pagono looks like a lame duck too. 

I also got to suspect Zimmer and the Vikes drop off further and Id guess hes a goner.  

 

I honestly see several spots opening up soon. Especially with a draft supposedly loaded with QBs, it could be a very black monday.

 

 

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8 hours ago, nottingham14 said:

Does Sean Payton fall in here too at some point?

I know Sean Payton delivered a Superbowl in a time of desperate need for New Orleans... But seriously how is that but not on the hot seat to lose his job? That team has not improved for years now and it's always that defense that lets them down. Surely there comes a point when you have to use more resources on the defense to at least balance things out.

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13 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I know Sean Payton delivered a Superbowl in a time of desperate need for New Orleans... But seriously how is that but not on the hot seat to lose his job? That team has not improved for years now and it's always that defense that lets them down. Surely there comes a point when you have to use more resources on the defense to at least balance things out.

They have drafted 8 guys in the first on D since 2008. Too bad for them the best one plays for us. :roll:

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2 hours ago, nottingham14 said:

They have drafted 8 guys in the first on D since 2008. Too bad for them the best one plays for us. :roll:

Hmm... Drafting guys is one thing... But you have to get the picks right and they have to be a fit for your scheme. Or maybe the scheme is the problem.

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2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Hmm... Drafting guys is one thing... But you have to get the picks right and they have to be a fit for your scheme. Or maybe the scheme is the problem.

The change defensive coordinators every other year it's difficult to get guys for a specific scheme when you do that. The best defense they had was when Greg Williams was paying his players on the side to hurt people and make plays

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On 8/18/2017 at 3:08 AM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Hmm... Drafting guys is one thing... But you have to get the picks right and they have to be a fit for your scheme. Or maybe the scheme is the problem.

I wasnt arguing on Payton. That was my point. Theyve drafted a ton of defenders and still suck on D. In a DOME I may add where home D should be loud and fierce.

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11 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Does Bill O'Brien make past 4 games? 8 games? All 16?

The guy so far has dodged bullet after bullet! But surely now he's on a short leash? So yeah I think he maybe gets half a season! Although the situation in Houston doesn't help.

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I feel bad for the people of cincy to be stuck with lewis for this long. bowls in new York never really had a chance, some jobs in the nfl just aren't worth the trouble.

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It's not really Todd Bowles fault the Jets organization is tanking, although he can still pay for the sins of the front office.  It was a mistake for the Colts to re up Pagano's contract, as he had 0 sucesss there. It was Bruce Arians who made the Colts playing play off caliber football.  In Marvin Lewis's defense (no pun intended) he has had 3 assistant coaches poached and all three are head coaches in the NFL.  Still that's a long time without a playoff win.  Bill O' Brian imo as done the least with more.  His inability to lock down a decent QB or make adjustments to the offensive scheme is mind boggling.  

If the colts finish in last place like I think they will he has to be the first fired.  

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It's a running gag about Marvin Lewis ever getting fired. I truly think everyone will be surprised when he finally is fired because year after year his name comes up.

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23 minutes ago, ShakeThatMonkey said:

It's a running gag about Marvin Lewis ever getting fired. I truly think everyone will be surprised when he finally is fired because year after year his name comes up.

I wouldn't be surprised, I wouldn't even be surprised when 3 days later some other loser team hires him.

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2 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

I wouldn't be surprised, I wouldn't even be surprised when 3 days later some other loser team hires him.

I'd be surprised, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did get picked up by another team.

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8 minutes ago, ShakeThatMonkey said:

I'd be surprised, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did get picked up by another team.

If I remember correctly, he was a pretty good DC, but he's been a HC for so long that he'd never accept the demotion now. But thinking about a scenario where say the Texans fire O'Brian and the Bengals fire Lewis, I could envision the Texans hiring him. Interviewing him would satisfy the Looney Rule, so he'd likely be the first interview and he's a good enough coach to pretty well guarantee at least 8-8 if not a few 9-7 or 10-6 seasons. Just not any post season wins.

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