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Those controversial players in the past also expressed remorse and sought out an acceptance to their apologies. Vick didn't continue fighting dogs after prison and community service. He didn't wear socks with pictures of dead cops and tell everyone that didn't agree that they were racist. In fact he went on to put money into animal foundations. When kap invests in Chicago maybe we'll talk.

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Those controversial players in the past also expressed remorse and sought out an acceptance to their apologies. Vick didn't continue fighting dogs after prison and community service.

big difference here...inhumane/cruel treatment of animals or beating women are a HECK of a lot different than Kap protesting what he's, as well as other NFL players have protested...don't understand how you can compare that aspect in this man. Our citizens have a right to not stand during the national anthem and to protest...those are not crimes. Expressing remorse over protesting injustice and gross mistreatment of many people in the greatest nation in the world. Come on man.

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I doubt Kaepernick will take the salary of a 3rd string QB, and I don't think the Eagles can afford to pay him like a 2nd string QB, can they? Besides, Kaepernick isn't as good as Tim Tebow. So maybe it's time to snatch Tebow away from baseball!!! buy out his contract from the Mets. (Hey, Kaepernick hasn't been playing either.) Laugh, if you must, but Tebow won a playoff game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, and no other 3rd string QB in the league can say that. What a bum deal Tebow got from Chip Kelly. The Eagles treated Tebow badly, by dumping him after he had beat out Matt Barkley for the 3rd QB position. Remember when Tebow scored a running touchdown and Kelly yelled at him for not passing... ridiculous.

QB Matt Blanchard is available too. No one seems to want him, maybe because he's outspoken in his support of President Trump? Blanchard has a super strong arm.

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Elliot Shorr Parks 53 man roster prediction

 

BREAKDOWN:

QUARTERBACKS (2): Wentz, Foles

RUNNING BACKS (4): Blount, Sproles, Smallwood, Clement(has Pump on IR)

WIDE RECEIVERS (6): Jeffery, Smith, Agholor, Hollins, Johnson, Gibson

TIGHT ENDS (3): Ertz, Celek, Burton

OFFENSIVE LINE (9): Johnson, Brooks, Kelce, Peters, Seumalo, Vaitai, Gordon, Warmack, Wisniewski

 
 
 

DEFENSIVE LINE (9): Graham, Cox, Jernigan, Curry, Long, Barnett, McCallister, Vaeao, Qualls(Beau Allen Traded)

LINEBACKERS (6): Hicks, Bradham, Kendricks, Walker, Gruiger-Hill, Gerry( Kendricks traded)

CORNERBACKS (6): Mills, Darby, Brooks, Smith, Douglas, Robinson

SAFETIES (5): Jenkins, McLeod, Graham, Brooks, Maragos

SPECIALISTS (3): Dorenbos, Jones, Sturgis

I would put Gibson on the PS to open up another roster spot

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Just read about Foles and how he's not been ready to play with 2 weeks to go til Game 1. Pretty rare to not see your 'solid #2' out showing what he can do in any preseason games. If Foles doesn't play next week...then what? I've always liked him, but if Wentz went down in game 1 or 2, then I'm not confident in Foles leading this team to the playoffs.

That said, bring in Kaepernick to see what he can do in practice and preseason game 4...my brother is a 2-star general in the US Air Force, but I also believe in the right to protest. I am a patriot and love this country, but I don't love the injustice and unacceptable treatment of many fellow Americans that has persisted for many, many years. Kap has enough skills to be a quality back up who could probably step in if needed to take a team into the playoffs. Media frenzy would be the only messed up aspect of the move for this team tho...but so what. It would die down after a while and it's worth it to have a truly solid #2. Lurie has shown mercy and willingness to gamble on a controversial QB before and he did pretty well for a season or so...

Define "injustice" I don't want Kap here alienating 50% of the fan base-no thanks

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Here are my thoughts on Thursday night's Eagles-Dolphins game:

1. Offensive Line--The O-L protection for Wentz once again totally fell apart when the opposing defense blitzed. If they don't get better at handling blitzes, Wentz will be sacked often by multiple players in the regular season (when he sits in the pocket), and that will likely lead to an injury. (Imagine if Wentz had played all 4 quarters on Thursday night? ) So I hope Foles throwing arm really is 100%, and his absences "precautionary", as claimed.

The first-string O-L didn't run block well enough either. They weren't as good as the Dolphins' O-L in this respect. That and the O-L's failure to protect Wentz in the pocket has me skeptical about how good they really are right now--as a unit.

2. Running backs--I'm not overly impressed. They're okay, decent, but no one really stands out as a great RB. I hope Blount will shift into another gear once the regular season begins, and that coach Pederson has figured out how to use him most effectively. The addition of Sproles will undoubtedly help (and may be enough). But it's looking more and more like the Eagles have overloaded on D-L and WR at the expense of their running game. Watching Clement and Pumphreys, I couldn't help but think the Eagles could have done much better if they'd drafted some combination of Joe Mixon or Dalvin Cook, Samaje Perine, and Tarik Cohen in the 2017 draft (as they had a chance to get 3 or 4 of these players). Each of those rookies has looked more dynamic & athletically gifted in the preseason than Blount, Clement, & Pumphreys. I also found myself wondering if the Eagles haven't underrated Byron Marshall versus Clement and Pumphreys? Marshall impresses me as a real fighter, with possibly more grit and determination than the other two.

3. Wide receivers Hollins, Johnson, and Treggs have greatly impressed in the preseason--it looks like they've got a ton of talent. Unfortunately the Eagles don't need all three WRs, not when they've got Jeffrey, Smith, and the refurbished Agholor. Although the team can always use a WR as quick and speedy as Treggs, who looks to be the fastest player on the offense. Treggs makes players miss, & that gives the Eagles offense a much needed extra dimension. I hope the Eagles will find a way to keep 6 WRs in 2017 (and maybe place the injured Turner on the practice squad or IR). There's so much talent on this WR squad right now that it would be a shame to lose any of these young, promising receivers, when looking to the future.

4. The Eagles have a similar glut at DE and DT. Again, they have more D-L players than they can use. Curry, Barnett and Means could all be starters on other teams. Of course that's not a bad problem to have. If I were a GM, I'd be closely watching to see who the Eagles might cut at DT, DE, and WR. Therefore, if possible, Roseman should try to trade a DT and/or a WR in the next week for a future draft pick, or to supply more depth at O-L, LB or for a first class RB--rather than to simply release those players in a couple weeks. Maybe the Eagles could even pick up the hard hitting LB Reggie Ragland from the Bills, for instance?

My only real concern about the Eagles' defense right now (other than some lingering doubts about CBs & LB depth) is--will they be able to stop the run well enough in 2017? (I have no doubt their pass rush will be awesome.) I'll be curious to see how well they contain RB Samaje Perine (or whoever the Redskins start at RB) in week one. If Perine rushes for over 100 yards it won't be a good sign.

5. CB Ronald Darby--I'm not in a panic over how Darby played Thursday night. Here's why: on the first play where Darby got beat, his hand was only inches away from deflecting the ball--so his coverage was tight. Secondly, even though the Dolphins WR took off running after catching the ball, Darby was able to shift into another gear and catch up to him before he reached the end zone. That showed tremendous effort & first class speed. Darby did the same thing on the next play where he got beat, showing another huge burst of speed to catch up to the Dolphins WR in the end zone. Both plays nearly went in Darby's favor. As I see it, Darby simply needs to locate the ball a little earlier, and he'll be fine. (Plus, you've got to give the Dolphins WRs some credit, they're very good.) With that said, the Eagles could possibly consider using a taller CB when there is a significant height mismatch to the 5'11" Darby.

6. Finally, I thought Jalen Mills played well Thursday night. I've always liked the way Mills tackles, but what a huge difference between Mills' coverage in the 2016 preseason and now in 2017. I still worry about Mills getting beat long--due to his less than ideal speed, but I may be finally coming around to him as a starter. I thought C.J. Smith and Rasul Douglas played well too. Add Sidney Jones into the mix and the Eagles are going to have strong outside corners next year, with very good depth at the position.

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Here are my thoughts on Thursday night's Eagles-Dolphins game:

1. Offensive Line--The O-L protection for Wentz once again totally fell apart when the opposing defense blitzed. If they don't get better at handling blitzes, Wentz will be sacked often by multiple players in the regular season (when he sits in the pocket), and that will likely lead to an injury. (Imagine if Wentz had played all 4 quarters on Thursday night? ) So I hope Foles throwing arm really is 100%, and his absences "precautionary", as claimed.

The first-string O-L didn't run block well enough either. They weren't as good as the Dolphins' O-L in this respect. That and the O-L's failure to protect Wentz in the pocket has me skeptical about how good they really are right now--as a unit.

2. Running backs--I'm not overly impressed. They're okay, decent, but no one really stands out as a great RB. I hope Blount will shift into another gear once the regular season begins, and that coach Pederson has figured out how to use him most effectively. The addition of Sproles will undoubtedly help (and may be enough). But it's looking more and more like the Eagles have overloaded on D-L and WR at the expense of their running game. Watching Clement and Pumphreys, I couldn't help but think the Eagles could have done much better if they'd drafted some combination of Joe Mixon or Dalvin Cook, Samaje Perine, and Tarik Cohen in the 2017 draft (as they had a chance to get 3 or 4 of these players). Each of those rookies has looked more dynamic & athletically gifted in the preseason than Blount, Clement, & Pumphreys. I also found myself wondering if the Eagles haven't underrated Byron Marshall versus Clement and Pumphreys? Marshall impresses me as a real fighter, with possibly more grit and determination than the other two.

3. Wide receivers Hollins, Johnson, and Treggs have greatly impressed in the preseason--it looks like they've got a ton of talent. Unfortunately the Eagles don't need all three WRs, not when they've got Jeffrey, Smith, and the refurbished Agholor. Although the team can always use a WR as quick and speedy as Treggs, who looks to be the fastest player on the offense. Treggs makes players miss, & that gives the Eagles offense a much needed extra dimension. I hope the Eagles will find a way to keep 6 WRs in 2017 (and maybe place the injured Turner on the practice squad or IR). There's so much talent on this WR squad right now that it would be a shame to lose any of these young, promising receivers, when looking to the future.

4. The Eagles have a similar glut at DE and DT. Again, they have more D-L players than they can use. Curry, Barnett and Means could all be starters on other teams. Of course that's not a bad problem to have. If I were a GM, I'd be closely watching to see who the Eagles might cut at DT, DE, and WR. Therefore, if possible, Roseman should try to trade a DT and/or a WR in the next week for a future draft pick, or to supply more depth at O-L, LB or for a first class RB--rather than to simply release those players in a couple weeks. Maybe the Eagles could even pick up the hard hitting LB Reggie Ragland from the Bills, for instance?

My only real concern about the Eagles' defense right now (other than some lingering doubts about CBs & LB depth) is--will they be able to stop the run well enough in 2017? (I have no doubt their pass rush will be awesome.) I'll be curious to see how well they contain RB Samaje Perine (or whoever the Redskins start at RB) in week one. If Perine rushes for over 100 yards it won't be a good sign.

5. CB Ronald Darby--I'm not in a panic over how Darby played Thursday night. Here's why: on the first play where Darby got beat, his hand was only inches away from deflecting the ball--so his coverage was tight. Secondly, even though the Dolphins WR took off running after catching the ball, Darby was able to shift into another gear and catch up to him before he reached the end zone. That showed tremendous effort & first class speed. Darby did the same thing on the next play where he got beat, showing another huge burst of speed to catch up to the Dolphins WR in the end zone. Both plays nearly went in Darby's favor. As I see it, Darby simply needs to locate the ball a little earlier, and he'll be fine. (Plus, you've got to give the Dolphins WRs some credit, they're very good.) With that said, the Eagles could possibly consider using a taller CB when there is a significant height mismatch to the 5'11" Darby.

6. Finally, I thought Jalen Mills played well Thursday night. I've always liked the way Mills tackles, but what a huge difference between Mills' coverage in the 2016 preseason and now in 2017. I still worry about Mills getting beat long--due to his less than ideal speed, but I may be finally coming around to him as a starter. I thought C.J. Smith and Rasul Douglas played well too. Add Sidney Jones into the mix and the Eagles are going to have strong outside corners next year, with very good depth at the position.

1) Agreed 2)Clement is or will be as good as those players mentioned,but taking 1 would have quashed another position of need.I'm sorry you expected us to fix EVERY hole in 1 draft.There is an excellent RB class next draft,so if we want one,we will get one 3) There's no guarantee we can re-sign Alshon next year,so why not CYA? I believe that's what we did 4) I agree we could see another trade to add depth elsewhere 5)Darby will get better even in 2 weeks time.Although familiar with our system,there are small tweaks he will work out as he adjusts to a slightly different system and with Jones on the opposite side,we will be more than fine next year(barring injury) 6) Agreed

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22 minutes ago, GreenbleedinFL said:

I would put Gibson on the PS to open up another roster spot

I would stash Gibson as well on PS but as the 6th Wrs not a huge deal Shorr-parks reasoning was didn't think Gibson would clear waivers ...Personally think might go Ward what he has done already as a WR transitioning from QB would hate to lose him to waivers 

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  27 minutes ago, GreenbleedinFL said:

I would put Gibson on the PS to open up another roster spot

I would stash Gibson as well on PS but as the 6th Wrs not a huge deal Shorr-parks reasoning was didn't think Gibson would clear waivers ...Personally think might go Ward what he has done already as a WR transitioning from QB would hate to lose him to waivers 

Gibson still raw,needs work.If we put him on the PS and he doesn't clear so be it.There will be other WR's in next years draft so only a team desperate for a starter,or thin with depth would take a chance on him because I believe he would have to be on their 53 if they claimed him

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  31 minutes ago, GreenbleedinFL said:

I would put Gibson on the PS to open up another roster spot

I would stash Gibson as well on PS but as the 6th Wrs not a huge deal Shorr-parks reasoning was didn't think Gibson would clear waivers ...Personally think might go Ward what he has done already as a WR transitioning from QB would hate to lose him to waivers 

I'm still in the camp that we keep 5 RB's and 5 WR's.having 6 WR's means one of the RB's would need to go and I believe putting Clement or Pump on the PS they WOULD get snagged

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3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinFL said:

I'm still in the camp that we keep 5 RB's and 5 WR's.having 6 WR's means one of the RB's would need to go and I believe putting Clement or Pump on the PS they WOULD get snagged

And since there is no guarantee we could re-sign Blount I would rather keep 5 RB's in the event we cannot.We have greater depth at WR and although we are not THIN at RB,I would like to have the 2 we picked up gain more experience in our system in case they are needed.I guess I just need to see more of them to really decide where I stand.For now I'm just being logical lol

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25 minutes ago, GreenbleedinFL said:

Greenbleedin writes, "I'm sorry you expected us to fix EVERY hole in 1 draft. There is an excellent RB class next draft, so if we want one, we will get one"

I know, but I can't help it. I'm a let's win the Super Bowl this year kind of guy. ;-)

25 minutes ago, GreenbleedinFL said:

 

 

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  36 minutes ago, GreenbleedinFL said:

Greenbleedin writes, "I'm sorry you expected us to fix EVERY hole in 1 draft. There is an excellent RB class next draft, so if we want one, we will get one"

I know, but I can't help it. I'm a let's win the Super Bowl this year kind of guy. ;-)

  25 minutes ago, GreenbleedinFL said:

 

 

I'm all for that!!!! Chip set us back 3 years!!!

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  37 minutes ago, GreenbleedinFL said:

Greenbleedin writes, "I'm sorry you expected us to fix EVERY hole in 1 draft. There is an excellent RB class next draft, so if we want one, we will get one"

I know, but I can't help it. I'm a let's win the Super Bowl this year kind of guy. ;-)

  25 minutes ago, GreenbleedinFL said:

 

 

BTW on Twitter(which I don't do) they had a bracket contest and it is supposed to be US and the Pats in the SB lol

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I absofreakinlutely like Saquon Barkley from PSU, he'll go high, great weapon.

Watch him GB - he's going to beat your Buckeyes!

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13 hours ago, GreenbleedinFL said:

Darby will get better even in 2 weeks time.Although familiar with our system,there are small tweaks he will work out as he adjusts to a slightly different system

Right now,I'm pretty sure that Darby is thinking and trying to play at the same time. In a few weeks (week 1) he should have a much firmer grasp on the scheme/plays. Once that happens he'll be able to play much faster w/o having to think. Just being hesitant or in position for only 1 second is all it takes to make or break the play. I'm not worried about him at all. The secondary is already light years ahead this year compared to last year!

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13 hours ago, GreenbleedinFL said:

I'm still in the camp that we keep 5 RB's and 5 WR's.having 6 WR's means one of the RB's would need to go and I believe putting Clement or Pump on the PS they WOULD get snagged

Agreed 100%. 'Cause many of our RB's are not just runners but also receivers,2 birds with 1 stone just like a T being able to swing FB. Not only that,all of our TE's are good receivers.

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11 hours ago, mjkline1958 said:

I absofreakinlutely like Saquon Barkley from PSU, he'll go high, great weapon.

Watch him GB - he's going to beat your Buckeyes!

You bet! I want either him or Royce Freeman next draft.

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GBFL, you've convinced me that a 5 by 5 for WRs and RBs is the camp to be in.  It's like you say a CYA and protect as many players as we can without upsetting the apple cart.  Pumps and/or Clement would not make it to the PS. Gibson, he needs the ability to consistently catch the ball before his gift of speed can be utilized. He hasn't proven this to me yet.  Treggs has both abilities now.  Unless Gibson is an ST player, he can be replaced.  Don't forget that we will also have a plethora to choose from in the well created by other teams releasing their players under similar circumstances.  Should be interesting to see how this plays out.  Believe we could witness a mini feeding frenzy, like a second FA period.  Howie and Joe have their pencils sharpened already. Would not want to pay Howie's phone bill for a month!!

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On 8/26/2017 at 1:00 AM, PhillyRod said:

Ha, I am backwards, I grew up near Philly, but moved to ND just before CW got drafted. I wasn't the first to be wearing #11 jersey around here. I am really glad to see Many Bison fans turn Eagles fans.
GO EAGLES !

How does one go from Philly area to ND? Oil field(s)?

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On 8/27/2017 at 8:43 AM, EaglesNJ69 said:

GBFL, you've convinced me that a 5 by 5 for WRs and RBs is the camp to be in.  It's like you say a CYA and protect as many players as we can without upsetting the apple cart.  Pumps and/or Clement would not make it to the PS. Gibson, he needs the ability to consistently catch the ball before his gift of speed can be utilized. He hasn't proven this to me yet.  Treggs has both abilities now.  Unless Gibson is an ST player, he can be replaced.  Don't forget that we will also have a plethora to choose from in the well created by other teams releasing their players under similar circumstances.  Should be interesting to see how this plays out.  Believe we could witness a mini feeding frenzy, like a second FA period.  Howie and Joe have their pencils sharpened already. Would not want to pay Howie's phone bill for a month!!

Can a veteran, such as Celek or Dorenbos be "exposed" to the PS for a day in order to keep Pumphrey or Clement or whomever? Then later, Pumphrey or whomever, gets moved to the PS and Celek or Dorenbos gets moved to the activate roster? 

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