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14 hours ago, vaff84 said:

I think you'll appreciate what Gregg Popovich, the greatest basketball coach of all time, and a 5 year veteran of the Air Force, said about the current situation.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/9/25/16362298/gregg-popovich-spurs-trump-comments-racism-president-nba

Yup.

Talking about things like racism are uncomfortable. But having uncomfortable conversations are necessary for progress.

Talking about white male privelege is uncomfortable but same applies.

I think a big problem is that first people have to admit racism and white male privilege exist instead of attributing it to a liberal construct before they can have an uncomfortable and honest conversation about it.

First step.

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5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup.

Talking about things like racism are uncomfortable. But having uncomfortable conversations are necessary for progress.

Talking about white male privelege is uncomfortable but same applies.

I think a big problem is that first people have to admit racism and white male privilege exist instead of attributing it to a liberal construct before they can have an uncomfortable and honest conversation about it.

First step.

You're asking middle aged white males (the demographic with the highest suicide rate) to say that they have it easier than everyone else.

Just not going to happen.

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Just now, vincent_NJG said:

You're asking middle aged white males (the demographic with the highest suicide rate) to say that they have it easier than everyone else.

Just not going to happen.

Sad but true.

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7 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Sad but true.

Thing is, everyone has some sort of privilege and/or disadvantage based on race/gender/sexual orientation/etc.

Everyone does in one way or another. 

That's not even getting down to economic backgrounds which pretty much supersede the above ment. 

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4 minutes ago, vincent_NJG said:

Thing is, everyone has some sort of privilege and/or disadvantage based on race/gender/sexual orientation/etc.

Everyone does in one way or another. 

That's not even getting down to economic backgrounds which pretty much supersede the above ment. 

I think one can use the above statements to justify and minimize white male privilege.

What privelege do black males have in this country that white males dont?

How about women. What privilege do females white or minority in this country have that white males dont have?

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22 minutes ago, vincent_NJG said:

You're asking middle aged white males (the demographic with the highest suicide rate) to say that they have it easier than everyone else.

Just not going to happen.

Not to mention that multi millionaire black men playing a game on the NFL platform in front of 80,000+ middle income fans trying to convince them how oppressed they are might be a difficult sell.

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Just now, cowboy_ron said:

Not to mention that multi millionaire black men playing a game on the NFL platform in front of 80,000+ middle income fans trying to convince them how oppressed they are might be a difficult sell.

They arent trying to convince middle aged white males that they are oppressed they are attempting to bring attention to the oppression of the oppressed.

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23 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I think one can use the above statements to justify and minimize white male privilege.

What privelege do black males have in this country that white males dont?

How about women. What privilege do females white or minority in this country have that white males dont have?

Programs, affirmative action, court bias etc, heavily favors women over men.

Im ethnically white but I'm very dark. Anyone who meets me thinks I'm Hispanic/Asian/biracial. I much prefer it that way. Why? I get away with much more socially.

My pale white male brother can't sneeze without being called a privileged racist despite not having anywhere near what I have.

It's socially acceptable to discriminate against white people.

Just look at the media.

Shows/movies like "dear white people" and such

White males aren't allowed to voice any complaints without being brushed off as racist sexist as well as being lumped in with the goons holding tiki torches in Charlottesville.

half of all people killed by police are white males.

There's a reason why middle aged white males have the highest rate of suicide. It's not because of a wealth of privilege.

 

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17 minutes ago, vincent_NJG said:

Programs, affirmative action, court bias etc, heavily favors women over men.

Im ethnically white but I'm very dark. Anyone who meets me thinks I'm Hispanic/Asian/biracial. I much prefer it that way. Why? I get away with much more socially.

My pale white male brother can't sneeze without being called a privileged racist despite not having anywhere near what I have.

It's socially acceptable to discriminate against white people.

Just look at the media.

Shows/movies like "dear white people" and such

White males aren't allowed to voice any complaints without being brushed off as racist sexist as well as being lumped in with the goons holding tiki torches in Charlottesville.

half of all people killed by police are white males.

There's a reason why middle aged white males have the highest rate of suicide. It's not because of a wealth of privilege.

 

There's going to be a predictable dismissal of your points coming.... 'cause white people.

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2 hours ago, vincent_NJG said:

I agree, that Kaep wasn't trying to disrespect veterans and the flag.

I just think he's a fraud and wannabe professional activist who also happens to be the definition of **** whipped by his girlfriend 

yes, right after ck first started getting attn for this both his college coach and harbaugh (who was gone by then) both made statements that he does this stuff simply for attention. of course ten or so minutes after making these claims both came out and appologized for making the statements. no freedom of speech for them i guess.

and yes, several of his friends remarked that all this never entered his mind until he started dating his new gf that spring...

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34 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said:

There's going to be a predictable dismissal of your points coming.... 'cause white people.

Which essentially proves the points

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1 hour ago, Utebird said:

They arent trying to convince middle aged white males that they are oppressed they are attempting to bring attention to the oppression of the oppressed.

I doubt the majority of those kneeling even know what they're kneeling for other than it's garnering alot of attention right now. The teams where the coaches and some owners (yes, even Jerry) are doing it to prevent division in their respective locker rooms. This country has plenty of issues to currently deal with without generating more with the loose cannon we have for a leader.

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17 hours ago, matchew88 said:

Or he's backpedalling out of locker room pressure.

 

Yeah, you're right. He didn't notice he was the only one out there for an entire 5 minutes

The base of actual NFL spending has spoken with his jersey being the most popular one now. 

Before chiming in, read the article. He outlines the chronology of events.

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57 minutes ago, vincent_NJG said:

 

Shows/movies like "dear white people" and such

 

 

NSFW NSFW NSFW    but it is pretty funny.  This guy messes with everyone . 

 

 

 

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58 minutes ago, vincent_NJG said:

Programs, affirmative action, court bias etc, heavily favors women over men.

Im ethnically white but I'm very dark. Anyone who meets me thinks I'm Hispanic/Asian/biracial. I much prefer it that way. Why? I get away with much more socially.

My pale white male brother can't sneeze without being called a privileged racist despite not having anywhere near what I have.

It's socially acceptable to discriminate against white people.

Just look at the media.

Shows/movies like "dear white people" and such

White males aren't allowed to voice any complaints without being brushed off as racist sexist as well as being lumped in with the goons holding tiki torches in Charlottesville.

half of all people killed by police are white males.

There's a reason why middle aged white males have the highest rate of suicide. It's not because of a wealth of privilege.

 

Im also white male but i have a darker complexion and most people think im latino or ethnic.

Ive been racially profiled before so i have a little sense of what thats like.

As for your points of privilege do those privileges equal more or equal privileges than white males have?

Until black males and women have all the same equal rights that white males are intrinsically born with its not equal and white males will have more privilege.

White males are killed more by police because the majority of the country is white yet a country that is majority white has a prison population. That is majority black and minority.

More white males committing suicide could be said the same majority of males in country are white.

Though i think it has more to do with white male culture and inward and or outward expectations of being a white male.

 

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14 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Im also white male but i have a darker complexion and most people think im latino or ethnic.

Ive been racially profiled before so i have a little sense of what thats like.

As for your points of privilege do those privileges equal more or equal privileges than white males have?

Until black males and women have all the same equal rights that white males are intrinsically born with its not equal and white males will have more privilege.

White males are killed more by police because the majority of the country is white yet a country that is majority white has a prison population. That is majority black and minority.

More white males committing suicide could be said the same majority of males in country are white.

Though i think it has more to do with white male culture and inward and or outward expectations of being a white male.

 

There are no rights that minorities or women lack that white males have. 

We can get into DOJ/FBI crime stats which would pretty much explain disproportionate prison population.

When I'm talking about suicide, I'm talking about the RATE. Not overall number. Teenage Native American males rank 2nd for comparisons sake.

Please, tell me what rights white males have that non whites and women lack.

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1 hour ago, vincent_NJG said:

Programs, affirmative action, court bias etc, heavily favors women over men.

Im ethnically white but I'm very dark. Anyone who meets me thinks I'm Hispanic/Asian/biracial. I much prefer it that way. Why? I get away with much more socially.

My pale white male brother can't sneeze without being called a privileged racist despite not having anywhere near what I have.

It's socially acceptable to discriminate against white people.

Just look at the media.

Shows/movies like "dear white people" and such

White males aren't allowed to voice any complaints without being brushed off as racist sexist as well as being lumped in with the goons holding tiki torches in Charlottesville.

half of all people killed by police are white males.

There's a reason why middle aged white males have the highest rate of suicide. It's not because of a wealth of privilege.

 

Being called a privileged racist is not real racism. It might be wrong(the racist part), but it's not dealing with actual racism. It can create divisiveness, however. Like when Shaun King got his facts completely wrong about Jeffrey Lurie. That just hurts the cause.

This is actual racism:

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism

Also, you say that half of people killed by police are white males. White people make up 76.9% of America(Non Hispanic whites 61.3%). Black people make up 13.3%.

You guys should watch the documentary 13th. Which explains that after the 13th Amendment was instituted to abolish slavery for everybody but prisoners, all that happened then was they started throwing black people in jail for asinine reasons. And the private prison system made money from it.

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7 minutes ago, vaff84 said:

Being called a privileged racist is not real racism. It might be wrong(the racist part), but it's not dealing with actual racism. It can create divisiveness, however. Like when Shaun King got his facts completely wrong about Jeffrey Lurie. That just hurts the cause.

This is actual racism:

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism

Also, you say that half of people killed by police are white males. White people make up 76.9% of America(Non Hispanic whites 61.3%). Black people make up 13.3%.

You guys should watch the documentary 13th. Which explains that after the 13th Amendment was instituted to abolish slavery for everybody but prisoners, all that happened then was they started throwing black people in jail for asinine reasons. And the private prison system made money from it.

There's different types of racism but racism is still racism.

As I said, FBI/DOJ stats pretty much explain the disproportionate numbers.

Racist is a label that's nearly impossible to shed(if you're white)whether you earned it or not.

And I watched the 13th. While much of it was true, it was also a lot of propaganda. Assatta Shakur was labeled a hero in the "documentary"

 
 
rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun
  1. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
    "a program to combat racism"
    synonyms: racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, casteism
    "Aborigines are the main victims of racism in Australia"
    • the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
      noun: racism
       
       
 

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30 minutes ago, vincent_NJG said:

There are no rights that minorities or women lack that white males have. 

We can get into DOJ/FBI crime stats which would pretty much explain disproportionate prison population.

When I'm talking about suicide, I'm talking about the RATE. Not overall number. Teenage Native American males rank 2nd for comparisons sake.

Please, tell me what rights white males have that non whites and women lack.

You are correct they have the same rights as white males yet are rhose same rights rightfully extended.

A new study by 3 different universitiy departments found that the wage gap between white males and women and minorities is worse than it was 40 years ago.

We could go on all day about the supposed rights that women and minorities have that are equal to white males that they dont actually have.

Sure its written on a piece of paper that says they have that right but thats not how it plays out.

As for suicide rates your argument is that if white males have so much privilege why are they killing themselves? Thats a good question and im sure theres research to suggest an answer but saying the answer is because white male privilege doesnt exist isnt one of them.

As for prison populations being explained by doj stats doesnt excuse the majority of prisons being filled with the minority of the population.

One has high ranking government officials admitting to illegalizing marijuana to specifically target black communities.

One has a country that has for profit prisons that are incentivised by imprisioning people and the majority targets through the laws is black males and minorities. 

 

 

 

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41 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Im also white male but i have a darker complexion and most people think im latino or ethnic.

Ive been racially profiled before so i have a little sense of what thats like.

As for your points of privilege do those privileges equal more or equal privileges than white males have?

Until black males and women have all the same equal rights that white males are intrinsically born with its not equal and white males will have more privilege.

White males are killed more by police because the majority of the country is white yet a country that is majority white has a prison population. That is majority black and minority.

More white males committing suicide could be said the same majority of males in country are white.

Though i think it has more to do with white male culture and inward and or outward expectations of being a white male.

 

What laws and rules favor or apply only to white people and not black people again?

If you are referring to white privilege as a police officer going up to a car of 4 black kids in the city, versus 4 white kids in the suburbs; I think most people would feel differently. That isn't due to racism, it is due to statistics and the chance of something bad happening. Again, this isn't saying that 4 white kids can't cause an issue, just that the other scenario is more likely. 

What about all the programs and support systems directly helping or addressed to non-white people? If the opposite were true, how many protests would there be today about that?

BET, college scholarships, meeting a minimum employee count in the work place, etc.. just to name a few.

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17 minutes ago, Utebird said:

You are correct they have the same rights as white males yet are rhose same rights rightfully extended.

A new study by 3 different universitiy departments found that the wage gap between white males and women and minorities is worse than it was 40 years ago.

We could go on all day about the supposed rights that women and minorities have that are equal to white males that they dont actually have.

Sure its written on a piece of paper that says they have that right but thats not how it plays out.

As for suicide rates your argument is that if white males have so much privilege why are they killing themselves? Thats a good question and im sure theres research to suggest an answer but saying the answer is because white male privilege doesnt exist isnt one of them.

As for prison populations being explained by doj stats doesnt excuse the majority of prisons being filled with the minority of the population.

One has high ranking government officials admitting to illegalizing marijuana to specifically target black communities.

One has a country that has for profit prisons that are incentivised by imprisioning people and the majority targets through the laws is black males and minorities. 

 

 

 

Be wary of university studies.

Turns out, when everything is taken into account,(seniority, experience, job description, hours worked, etc) the wage gap effectively disappears..

It's a federal offense to pay someone less based on race/gender/religion/etc and has been since 1963.

There is some truth to that and I'm all for the decriminalization of marijuana.

However, the narrative is that police are simply rounding up and/or shooting innocent  black people for no reason.

The fact that you first handwaved away the demographic with the top suicide rate and then immediately eliminated something from possibly being a reason says a lot. Imagine if another other demographic ranked number 1. We would view it as a symptom of racism/sexism. 

Because it's middle aged white males, it's mostly brushed off.

Look at the top 10 cities in terms of violent crime. Then look at the demographics. Say what you want, but they speak for themselves

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5 minutes ago, ggs5008 said:

What laws and rules favor or apply only to white people and not black people again?

If you are referring to white privilege as a police officer going up to a car of 4 black kids in the city, versus 4 white kids in the suburbs; I think most people would feel differently. That isn't due to racism, it is due to statistics and the chance of something bad happening. Again, this isn't saying that 4 white kids can't cause an issue, just that the other scenario is more likely. 

What about all the programs and support systems directly helping or addressed to non-white people? If the opposite were true, how many protests would there be today about that?

BET, college scholarships, meeting a minimum employee count in the work place, etc.. just to name a few.

How about Republicans doing everything they can to restrict voter rights and make it much more difficult for black people to vote?

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4 hours ago, vincent_NJG said:

I agree, that Kaep wasn't trying to disrespect veterans and the flag.

I just think he's a fraud and wannabe professional activist who also happens to be the definition of **** whipped by his girlfriend 

Yessir

My thoughts exactly

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1 minute ago, vaff84 said:

How about Republicans doing everything they can to restrict voter rights and make it much more difficult for black people to vote?

How? By requiring ID? 

 

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