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Starting with my top 15 up coming rookies.... Gradually Ill enlarge and adjust it for combine. Just for fun and conversation....

1. Saquon Barkley, RB, PSU

2. Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA

3.  Sam Darnold, QB, USC

4. Orlando Brown, OT, OK

5. Vita Vea, DT, WASH

6. Quenton Nelson, G, ND

7. Harold Landry, DE, BC

8. Roquan Smith, LB, GEO

9. Calvin Ridley, WR, ALA

10. Derwin James, S, FSU

11. Carlton Davis, CB, AUB

12. Bradley Chubb, DE, NC St. 

13. Rashaan Evans, LB, ALA

14. Maurice Hurst, DT, MICH

15. Keke Coutee, WR, Tex Tch

 

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5 hours ago, nottingham14 said:

Starting with my top 15 up coming rookies.... Gradually Ill enlarge and adjust it for combine. Just for fun and conversation....

1. Saquon Barkley, RB, PSU

2. Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA

3.  Sam Darnold, QB, USC

4. Orlando Brown, OT, OK

5. Vita Vea, DT, WASH

6. Quenton Nelson, G, ND

7. Harold Landry, DE, BC

8. Roquan Smith, LB, GEO

9. Calvin Ridley, WR, ALA

10. Derwin James, S, FSU

11. Carlton Davis, CB, AUB

12. Bradley Chubb, DE, NC St. 

13. Rashaan Evans, LB, ALA

14. Maurice Hurst, DT, MICH

15. Keke Coutee, WR, Tex Tch

 

If you are into the draft check out the The Draft Show podcast. It’s a former eagles/cowboys scout (Bryan Broadous) CBS’s Dane. Brugler...Brooadus is a writer for DC.com now, so the show is about 25% about how the players fit for Dallas, but the info on the players is top notch..

their list is different from yours in that they aren’t  high on Rosen, and have Orlando Brown much farther down. They have  Vea down at about 17 or so

my dream Draft for Dallas is  Vea at 19, a 330lb DT that will keep people off our LB’s. The reason Dallas struggles when Sean Lee goes out is that their 2 starting DT’s are 287 amd 295lbs...that’s too small. As a contrast, Cox amd Jernagen make life easy for their LB’s.

in round 2 they’d have to trade up a little, but I want that OG Hernandez...a 340lb monster who can move...

 

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3 hours ago, Stephen1 said:

If you are into the draft check out the The Draft Show podcast. It’s a former eagles/cowboys scout (Bryan Broadous) CBS’s Dane. Brugler...Brooadus is a writer for DC.com now, so the show is about 25% about how the players fit for Dallas, but the info on the players is top notch..

their list is different from yours in that they aren’t  high on Rosen, and have Orlando Brown much farther down. They have  Vea down at about 17 or so

my dream Draft for Dallas is  Vea at 19, a 330lb DT that will keep people off our LB’s. The reason Dallas struggles when Sean Lee goes out is that their 2 starting DT’s are 287 amd 295lbs...that’s too small. As a contrast, Cox amd Jernagen make life easy for their LB’s.

in round 2 they’d have to trade up a little, but I want that OG Hernandez...a 340lb monster who can move...

 

Its still pretty early. I expect to see all three rise quickly. I know there were some knocks on Vea (motor I think), but the guy is an absolute monster. Personally id love to see him drop and Philly move to get him. He would be unstoppable beside Fletcher. 

Orlando looks like a Jason Peters clone in terms of his skills. He gets planted and makes it look almost effortless. I thought Connor Williams, although skilled, looked a bit weak and the OT from ND is good, but he got beat badly by Chubb a few times. 

My thing with Rosen is he had less talent around him than the other guys, except Allen. Yet you see him reading the field and finding open guys. Baker is a Wilson clone. Darnold has every physical ability you could ask for (much bigger arm than typical USC QBs). But he always seemed to be throwing to his first read. You just never know how that translates, but its well worth the risk. Allen to me looked horrible. He looked like Johnny Football with a big arm and size. He was constantly throwing on the run, and (like when I watched Manziel) I questioned if he could complete half his highlights in the pros. Add that to a low college comp % and he has bust all over him. I actually have the QBs Rosen, Darnold, Rudolph, Mayfield and MAYBE Allen. I wouldn't risk it beyond round 2-3 on him. 

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5 hours ago, Bram Sadford said:

You might wanna make a list of 32 players ;)

The big board and the mocks are two different things. Big board ranks players overall, mocks guess their landing spot. 

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20 hours ago, nottingham14 said:

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I glanced at the title and thought it said 'Nottingham's Big Broad'. I thought maybe you were posting pictures of your wife or girlfriend ...  

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49 minutes ago, Cortes said:

Anthony Miller will be on your radar soon... lol I’m a fanboy of his now I guess.

I watched him the other day. Reminds me a bit of a poor mans Chad Johnson. Real good hands, but speed seems so-so. It looked like every big catch he made was contested, which in theory says he has great hands. But at the small school level that could mean he wont get open in the pros. You never know, he has some talent for sure, but either he has speed issues, route running issues or both. 

I thought there were some serious standouts at WR that are ranked so-so. I saw two really close comparisons recently I thought were spot on when I watched them. Calvin Ridley reminds of Marvin Harrison, and that's what I thought too when I watched him. I was surprised because usually I see someone totally different, but Harrison looked spot on to me. The other was Courtland Sutton is a Dez clone. 

The guy I really wasn't impressed with at WR was Kirk. I'm sure he has ok speed and hands, but nothing stood out for me to have him like Kiper and McShay. The one I was is Coutee. Dude has that Desean speed. Every big play he makes he's got steps on the defenders. Gets on them safeties quick like Jackson when he turns it on. I always like to see where they get their stats, big games or beating up the small schools.

Coutee-Busted a 77 yarder on HOU, 56 yarder on Ok St, 70 yarder on OK, 75 yarder on KSU and 52 yarder on TX. Bringing it in the big games vs some elite athletes. 

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18 hours ago, nottingham14 said:

Its still pretty early. I expect to see all three rise quickly. I know there were some knocks on Vea (motor I think), but the guy is an absolute monster. Personally id love to see him drop and Philly move to get him. He would be unstoppable beside Fletcher. 

Orlando looks like a Jason Peters clone in terms of his skills. He gets planted and makes it look almost effortless. I thought Connor Williams, although skilled, looked a bit weak and the OT from ND is good, but he got beat badly by Chubb a few times. 

My thing with Rosen is he had less talent around him than the other guys, except Allen. Yet you see him reading the field and finding open guys. Baker is a Wilson clone. Darnold has every physical ability you could ask for (much bigger arm than typical USC QBs). But he always seemed to be throwing to his first read. You just never know how that translates, but its well worth the risk. Allen to me looked horrible. He looked like Johnny Football with a big arm and size. He was constantly throwing on the run, and (like when I watched Manziel) I questioned if he could complete half his highlights in the pros. Add that to a low college comp % and he has bust all over him. I actually have the QBs Rosen, Darnold, Rudolph, Mayfield and MAYBE Allen. I wouldn't risk it beyond round 2-3 on him. 

The eagles resigned Jernigan, so I doubt they go DT early. They can really go BPA at 32, I don’t see any glaring holes. At the end of round 1 you can get starting quality LB’s, G’s S, and even DT’s...Vea is a freak though, like you said, after workouts, he probably goes too 10. Probably a pipe dream for Dallas at 19, let alone Philly at 32....so yeah, if he fell to 32 the eagles would have to take him.

The guys on the Draft show scouted all the senior bowl practices and they Rosen had all the prototypical skills but that a lot of his passes were off the mark, as in who the F is he throwing to...and that is in drills, they also from what they hear, he is a complete a-hole and tries to tell the coaches they don’t know what they are talking about. That said, he has elite physical traits and some coach will think he can coach all the other stuff out of him.

I also would not mind Dallas trading back to the mid-20’s, pick up a 3rd and grab Hernandez or Wynn (UGA), shore up the OL amd go from there. OG is the biggest need. 

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I never heard of any of those guys.

Then again, I don't watch college football. :lol: 

I do research on the guys we draft after we've drafted them. 

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On ‎2‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 6:19 AM, Stephen1 said:

The eagles resigned Jernigan, so I doubt they go DT early. They can really go BPA at 32, I don’t see any glaring holes. At the end of round 1 you can get starting quality LB’s, G’s S, and even DT’s...Vea is a freak though, like you said, after workouts, he probably goes too 10. Probably a pipe dream for Dallas at 19, let alone Philly at 32....so yeah, if he fell to 32 the eagles would have to take him.

The guys on the Draft show scouted all the senior bowl practices and they Rosen had all the prototypical skills but that a lot of his passes were off the mark, as in who the F is he throwing to...and that is in drills, they also from what they hear, he is a complete a-hole and tries to tell the coaches they don’t know what they are talking about. That said, he has elite physical traits and some coach will think he can coach all the other stuff out of him.

I also would not mind Dallas trading back to the mid-20’s, pick up a 3rd and grab Hernandez or Wynn (UGA), shore up the OL amd go from there. OG is the biggest need. 

Jernigans deal is very team friendly. If they cut him after June 1 next season he saves 35 million over 3 years and costs 6 (2mil a season). They gave him a prove it deal and he hasn't proven it yet To me that's a position where they may look to bring in competition at least. With Beau Allen a FA, id say he is gone and we need a replacement in case Qualls isn't ready. 

I agree that Vea is a dream, he will get in the top ten in time I figure. 

 

I honestly think Dallas has more roster and cap issues than we do. We have a lot of guys we would replace in FA and also a lot of guys we could drop that didn't play huge roles or are expendable (Celek, Peters, Smith, Foles). Dallas let three huge FAs get to UFA (Lawerence and Hitcchens) and RFA (Irving), plus their line has holes which caused Dak and Zeke issues. They cant afford to lose anything on D. You cant have Zeke regressing to barely 4 yards a carry or less. Meanwhile the only guys with cap friendly deals are Martin, Whitten or aren't making much to matter. If I were Martin I would be expecting a pay raise, which could give them some room this year. Plus they have a Dez who seems a shell of himself as their second highest paid guy. They need weapons for Dak now. Courtland Sutton wouldn't be a bad Dez replacement. If Gathers comes back and plays well, it would help a lot too. They could go speed with Coutee, a Texas Tech guy, later if he lasts til roud two at them. A deep threat added with Gathers in the seem could be just what they need to free up the offense and give Zeke room to run.

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On 2/12/2018 at 6:16 PM, nottingham14 said:

Jernigans deal is very team friendly. If they cut him after June 1 next season he saves 35 million over 3 years and costs 6 (2mil a season). They gave him a prove it deal and he hasn't proven it yet To me that's a position where they may look to bring in competition at least. With Beau Allen a FA, id say he is gone and we need a replacement in case Qualls isn't ready. 

I agree that Vea is a dream, he will get in the top ten in time I figure. 

 

I honestly think Dallas has more roster and cap issues than we do. We have a lot of guys we would replace in FA and also a lot of guys we could drop that didn't play huge roles or are expendable (Celek, Peters, Smith, Foles). Dallas let three huge FAs get to UFA (Lawerence and Hitcchens) and RFA (Irving), plus their line has holes which caused Dak and Zeke issues. They cant afford to lose anything on D. You cant have Zeke regressing to barely 4 yards a carry or less. Meanwhile the only guys with cap friendly deals are Martin, Whitten or aren't making much to matter. If I were Martin I would be expecting a pay raise, which could give them some room this year. Plus they have a Dez who seems a shell of himself as their second highest paid guy. They need weapons for Dak now. Courtland Sutton wouldn't be a bad Dez replacement. If Gathers comes back and plays well, it would help a lot too. They could go speed with Coutee, a Texas Tech guy, later if he lasts til roud two at them. A deep threat added with Gathers in the seem could be just what they need to free up the offense and give Zeke room to run.

Things change quick in the NFL, before this season anyone who is unbiased would have said the eagles had a lot of issues...before the 2014 season where Dallas won 12 games they were a concensous 4-6 win team, same thing during the preseason of 2016....they won 13.

I see the holes, LG was a big hole last year, Tyron was hurt all year and missed a lot of games at the end...made the left hand side of the line a liability down the stretch. So sure Dallas could fail to fix the LG spot and Tyron could be hurt again....or Tyron could be healthy and get  mid level G and they’d be fine. When the whole offense was healthy and not suspended the first half of the year Dallas was 3rd or 4th in scoring...about 28ppg or so, so it’s not nuts to think if they just stay healthy they’d be fine on O. I’d like to see them hit on a OG in the first 2 rounds, then add a healthy Tyron and they could be very good offensively. All those issues caused by the OL and Zeke’s 6 game suspension and Dak totaled 28 td’s, 10ints, Zeke 10th in rushing, 10th in TD’s...Zeke had the most yards per game of all NFL RB’s last year, 12 more per game than Gurley...Dez is a victim of Garrett, Dak’s poor 2nd half of the season and the scheme...not saying he’s elite, he’s not...but he just had the same year Alahon had and he earned an extension.... not saying there are no concerns there...but things could easily break right for them

on defense they probably lose Hitchens, he’s going to get paid, they will franchise Lawrence, which is the smart thing to do. If irving  leaves the other team has to give Dallas a 2nd rounder..I doubt any team does that. I hope they do, i’m Not a fan, he rushes the passer and ignores the run...which is part of the reason LB’s not named Sean LEe struggle, Irving gives OG’s free runs at the LB’s...watch the 1st Dallas eagles game...he was a liability.

i don’t like losing Hitchens, but Jaylon Smith really improved as the year went on, so did the Dallas secondary once they threw the 3 rookies in there....Dallas finished 8th in total D, 13th in scoring D...

Philly is obviously the odds on favorite and on a whole other level at this point, so i’m Not arguing Dallas is winning the east or on that level...i’d Have to be nuts. I’m not saying they don’t have holes...if things break the wrong way, they could have a bad year, just pointing out things just as easily could break well for them. If they can add a OG and DT and are reasonabley healthy, I love their chances of winning 10 games.

cap wise Dallas is 19m under the cap...and from what I have read can make moves and get to the high20’s without putting much money on future caps. More than enough to franchise Lawrence, sign draft picks and even get involved in FA a little earlier than in years passed when they started out over the cap and had to pick from scraps. Dallas is sitting at 65m under for 2019 because after this year Romo’s deal off the books, so they can ever structure some deals to hit the cap in 2019 if they really want to go after a FA or Re sign someone.

as i’ve said in years past, when the were actually up against the cap, the cap won’t determine much, it will come down to rather they get Draft well and sign the right FA’s.

Agree on the speed receiver, if they can fix LG and add a deep threat, O should be good. ON D, beef up DT and add depth at LB....they could be good....

or they could miss on OG, DT, have some injuries, have Dak regress and next year you are probably looking at a new coaching staff and QB...but even then...I think Dallas still has some good young players...I like their immediate future much more than the redskins or giants...

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4 hours ago, Stephen1 said:

Things change quick in the NFL, before this season anyone who is unbiased would have said the eagles had a lot of issues...before the 2014 season where Dallas won 12 games they were a concensous 4-6 win team, same thing during the preseason of 2016....they won 13.

I see the holes, LG was a big hole last year, Tyron was hurt all year and missed a lot of games at the end...made the left hand side of the line a liability down the stretch. So sure Dallas could fail to fix the LG spot and Tyron could be hurt again....or Tyron could be healthy and get  mid level G and they’d be fine. When the whole offense was healthy and not suspended the first half of the year Dallas was 3rd or 4th in scoring...about 28ppg or so, so it’s not nuts to think if they just stay healthy they’d be fine on O. I’d like to see them hit on a OG in the first 2 rounds, then add a healthy Tyron and they could be very good offensively. All those issues caused by the OL and Zeke’s 6 game suspension and Dak totaled 28 td’s, 10ints, Zeke 10th in rushing, 10th in TD’s...Zeke had the most yards per game of all NFL RB’s last year, 12 more per game than Gurley...Dez is a victim of Garrett, Dak’s poor 2nd half of the season and the scheme...not saying he’s elite, he’s not...but he just had the same year Alahon had and he earned an extension.... not saying there are no concerns there...but things could easily break right for them

on defense they probably lose Hitchens, he’s going to get paid, they will franchise Lawrence, which is the smart thing to do. If irving  leaves the other team has to give Dallas a 2nd rounder..I doubt any team does that. I hope they do, i’m Not a fan, he rushes the passer and ignores the run...which is part of the reason LB’s not named Sean LEe struggle, Irving gives OG’s free runs at the LB’s...watch the 1st Dallas eagles game...he was a liability.

i don’t like losing Hitchens, but Jaylon Smith really improved as the year went on, so did the Dallas secondary once they threw the 3 rookies in there....Dallas finished 8th in total D, 13th in scoring D...

Philly is obviously the odds on favorite and on a whole other level at this point, so i’m Not arguing Dallas is winning the east or on that level...i’d Have to be nuts. I’m not saying they don’t have holes...if things break the wrong way, they could have a bad year, just pointing out things just as easily could break well for them. If they can add a OG and DT and are reasonabley healthy, I love their chances of winning 10 games.

cap wise Dallas is 19m under the cap...and from what I have read can make moves and get to the high20’s without putting much money on future caps. More than enough to franchise Lawrence, sign draft picks and even get involved in FA a little earlier than in years passed when they started out over the cap and had to pick from scraps. Dallas is sitting at 65m under for 2019 because after this year Romo’s deal off the books, so they can ever structure some deals to hit the cap in 2019 if they really want to go after a FA or Re sign someone.

as i’ve said in years past, when the were actually up against the cap, the cap won’t determine much, it will come down to rather they get Draft well and sign the right FA’s.

Agree on the speed receiver, if they can fix LG and add a deep threat, O should be good. ON D, beef up DT and add depth at LB....they could be good....

or they could miss on OG, DT, have some injuries, have Dak regress and next year you are probably looking at a new coaching staff and QB...but even then...I think Dallas still has some good young players...I like their immediate future much more than the redskins or giants...

I agree you don't need a world beater at LG. The Eagles are a prime example you can have 3 great OL and 2 serviceable whose level can be risen through playing with the other guys. My thing is your D cant afford to lose any guys right now. The DE franchise tag is 16+ mil. Add in Irving's RFA and that's a big part of your cap. Lee is getting up there at 31 with some bad injury history. He is great when healthy, but who knows going forward. Your LB could go from a strength to a weakness soon. You would be better off getting Lawerence to sign long term first year cap friendly. But you guys have to really nurture that cap with Zeke and Dak hitting the same year when its time to get paid. I'm not saying its impossible to be competitive, as with Tyron healthy I'm sure your OL will improve. By massive concern on O is your WR core. Dez looks to have lost a step and Beasley and Dak's rapport looked suspect too. Im surprised they didn't use Switzer more last season, especially late in the year. You cant afford for Beasley to crap the bed again. I wouldn't be shocked if you guys took a couple WRs high, especially if Dez somehow walks (new rumors). I mean youre not in WASH shape, but at this point you are battling for #2 with NYG if they don't clean house. But you should be on the rise, but if you guys don't start hitting on some guys soon its COULD ruin Dak's development. 

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18 hours ago, nottingham14 said:

I agree you don't need a world beater at LG. The Eagles are a prime example you can have 3 great OL and 2 serviceable whose level can be risen through playing with the other guys. My thing is your D cant afford to lose any guys right now. The DE franchise tag is 16+ mil. Add in Irving's RFA and that's a big part of your cap. Lee is getting up there at 31 with some bad injury history. He is great when healthy, but who knows going forward. Your LB could go from a strength to a weakness soon. You would be better off getting Lawerence to sign long term first year cap friendly. But you guys have to really nurture that cap with Zeke and Dak hitting the same year when its time to get paid. I'm not saying its impossible to be competitive, as with Tyron healthy I'm sure your OL will improve. By massive concern on O is your WR core. Dez looks to have lost a step and Beasley and Dak's rapport looked suspect too. Im surprised they didn't use Switzer more last season, especially late in the year. You cant afford for Beasley to crap the bed again. I wouldn't be shocked if you guys took a couple WRs high, especially if Dez somehow walks (new rumors). I mean youre not in WASH shape, but at this point you are battling for #2 with NYG if they don't clean house. But you should be on the rise, but if you guys don't start hitting on some guys soon its COULD ruin Dak's development. 

I really put a lot of Dez and Beasleys struggles on Garrett and his high school scheme, I don’t even like to use the word "scheme”, because there isn’t one, it relies solely on players winning 1 on 1 matchups, no rub routes, pick plays, little motion...that’s why Dallas struggles when people get hurt. Tyron goes down? Just leave his replacement 1 on 1 week in week out, don’t chip, slide the line, shorten routes...I said last year when Dallas was 13-3 that a better coach could get so much more out of them. 

I wouldn’t say LB is a strength for Dallas at all. Never know about Lee, Jaylon looked good down the stretch...but there is not too much else there. As a matter of fact if the dudes  from UGA or VA Tech fall, that very could be Dallas’ pick.

i think they should have used Switzer too...but that’s JG, he also doesn’t know how to use Zeke in the passing game. I think Dallas definitely needs to beef up WR, amd look at TE.

as long as the OL is playing well and Zeke is running well Dak will be fine, Dak had very good games without Dez his rookie year, you give almost any qb an elite running game and good protection and he will play well, that’s why i’m Gung ho about the OG spot.

i don’t expect them to get it all in 1 offseason. I have OG, DT, LB, WR as their needs, maybe FS, with OG, LB and DT being  must haves, FS and WR like to haves....so maybe this year they hit on A couple, then a couple more the next year...they could be real good then.

i wouldn’t sign Lawrence long term. He finally had 1 injury free year...i’m Not giving him a long term deal, make him do it again.

Dez isn’t walking, the way his deal is set up Dallas will convert his salary next year into a bonus, put more of it into 2019 when they will way under the cap and save 8-9mil this next year, will do the same with Travis Frederick...saving another 7-8 mil...that is enough to franchise Lawrence, sign draft picks, sign a couple mid level FA’s if they want.

or they could screw it all up, lol, 

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On ‎2‎/‎14‎/‎2018 at 10:23 PM, Stephen1 said:

I really put a lot of Dez and Beasleys struggles on Garrett and his high school scheme, I don’t even like to use the word "scheme”, because there isn’t one, it relies solely on players winning 1 on 1 matchups, no rub routes, pick plays, little motion...that’s why Dallas struggles when people get hurt. Tyron goes down? Just leave his replacement 1 on 1 week in week out, don’t chip, slide the line, shorten routes...I said last year when Dallas was 13-3 that a better coach could get so much more out of them. 

I wouldn’t say LB is a strength for Dallas at all. Never know about Lee, Jaylon looked good down the stretch...but there is not too much else there. As a matter of fact if the dudes  from UGA or VA Tech fall, that very could be Dallas’ pick.

i think they should have used Switzer too...but that’s JG, he also doesn’t know how to use Zeke in the passing game. I think Dallas definitely needs to beef up WR, amd look at TE.

as long as the OL is playing well and Zeke is running well Dak will be fine, Dak had very good games without Dez his rookie year, you give almost any qb an elite running game and good protection and he will play well, that’s why i’m Gung ho about the OG spot.

i don’t expect them to get it all in 1 offseason. I have OG, DT, LB, WR as their needs, maybe FS, with OG, LB and DT being  must haves, FS and WR like to haves....so maybe this year they hit on A couple, then a couple more the next year...they could be real good then.

i wouldn’t sign Lawrence long term. He finally had 1 injury free year...i’m Not giving him a long term deal, make him do it again.

Dez isn’t walking, the way his deal is set up Dallas will convert his salary next year into a bonus, put more of it into 2019 when they will way under the cap and save 8-9mil this next year, will do the same with Travis Frederick...saving another 7-8 mil...that is enough to franchise Lawrence, sign draft picks, sign a couple mid level FA’s if they want.

or they could screw it all up, lol, 

I wouldn't be surprised Garretts schemes do seem suspect. He was never a great coach IMO. Obviously getting Zeke rolling is the key.  But I do think your LB core of Smith, Lee and Hitchens is a strength currently. With Irving coming back as a RFA, Id put WR ahead of DT, only because I differ from you on how much Dez has left and I kind of have to question Beasley's commitment to football TBH. I do disagree with the Lawerence thing, but that's an ideology thing for me. I think you identify talent on your team and sign them long term. If you got a guy in house and he clearly has talent, (and Lawerence does) you must lock him up. I personally don't think you can factor in injury, as its an unknown. Plus you can get a slight discount for oft injured players. This has been my knock of Roseman here. He brings guys in for 1 year prove it deals. On paper it sounds like a good idea, but then you have to shell out more if they PROVE IT than you would've if you just identified talent already. WASH botching the Cousins thing is a clear example of that. Ive been saying for years he was their best QB in my lifetime. Is he a HOFer, doubtful, but he was by far their best QB in decades. That should have been identified and they would have saved a fortune over those tags. 

BTW if I were Dallas, honestly, id trade Dez while i could. I personally don't like his sideline antics. If they could get something out of him and replace him, id be all over it. 

And.. I think you should be OK at TE. I'm high on a healthy Gathers. 

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1 hour ago, nottingham14 said:

I wouldn't be surprised Garretts schemes do seem suspect. He was never a great coach IMO. Obviously getting Zeke rolling is the key.  But I do think your LB core of Smith, Lee and Hitchens is a strength currently. With Irving coming back as a RFA, Id put WR ahead of DT, only because I differ from you on how much Dez has left and I kind of have to question Beasley's commitment to football TBH. I do disagree with the Lawerence thing, but that's an ideology thing for me. I think you identify talent on your team and sign them long term. If you got a guy in house and he clearly has talent, (and Lawerence does) you must lock him up. I personally don't think you can factor in injury, as its an unknown. Plus you can get a slight discount for oft injured players. This has been my knock of Roseman here. He brings guys in for 1 year prove it deals. On paper it sounds like a good idea, but then you have to shell out more if they PROVE IT than you would've if you just identified talent already. WASH botching the Cousins thing is a clear example of that. Ive been saying for years he was their best QB in my lifetime. Is he a HOFer, doubtful, but he was by far their best QB in decades. That should have been identified and they would have saved a fortune over those tags. 

BTW if I were Dallas, honestly, id trade Dez while i could. I personally don't like his sideline antics. If they could get something out of him and replace him, id be all over it. 

And.. I think you should be OK at TE. I'm high on a healthy Gathers. 

I have actually always liked Garrett as the HC, team plays hard, even in 2015 when they won 4 games, they were in all but 1 game amd were never embarrassing . It says something to me that you never hear former players, (other than TO) bash hin...usually a coach with as little success as he’s had will get flamed once players leave. If he’s just hire an OC and let them run their scheme i’d Be fine with him...but he won’t. 

Smith played better as the year went on,  But needs to take the next step this upcoming year before i’m sold.

i definitely think WR is a need, and i’m Not saying Dez has a lot left, I just think a better scheme that didn’t ask him to run 70% deep routes and have him run routes with  2-3 fakes in them when he isn’t a crisp route runner is asinine. He’s very similar to Alshon and the eagles don’t do that with him. You watch Dez play and he is still very physical..had that TD bs AZ where he bullied Peterson and Honey badger, yet they probably threw him a slant 4-5 times all year tops. They should use him like Larry Fitz who is almost a TE, almost everything out of the slot where he’s hard to double, run him on a lot of slants and drags, get him some momentum going running through the secondary...if a coach did that, they could get a lot out of Dez, instead, Dallas uses him like DJax.

I don’t question Beasley didication...I mean 5-8, 180lb undrafted FA’s with average speed don’t last long in the NFL if they aren’t dedicated, he’s just too one dimensional...Switzer is faster and stronger and just as quick, extending Beasley was dumb, those are guys you let walk amd draft their replacement...you don’t give a 2nd contract to your 4th receiving option.

I don’t think you get much for Dez, so getting rid of him is a net loss for the team, it makes them worse, so if Ridley is there i’d take him, treat him like the #1 and use Dez as the #2. Dez is still far better than Willams or Beasley, so unless a team offers me something stupid for him, like a 2nd rounder or better (which they won’t) i’m Not moving him. You don’t have to get rid of Dez to upgrade at WR, I just don’t like any of the other wr’s in round 1. I give him one more year and see what the draft and market are like next year.

i also think DT is a bigger need because a DT kills 2 birds with one stone. Upgrade vs the run and then protect your LB’s and make them even better. 

as far as Lawrence, he’s different from Cousins and some of Howies prove it deals in that he has been hurt or suspended every single year, I think teams  make mistakes when they give long term deals to one hit wonders. Players don’t hate franchise tags, he will get 16m guaranteed, which is tops at his position, then if he can put together another good season, he’ll get paid big time. Evidently he amd JJ are very close as well, he has some family issues early on JJ helped him with and also JJ could have gone after some money during his last suspension and didn’t...so think they will be ok there, don’t see the Franchise tag causing issues. Giving big deals to 1 hit wonders hurts you cap wise far more than having to pay a little extra to guys who’ve actually proven it in prove it deals. 

Still high on a OG too. As you say, getting Zeke going is the key, if he’s going teams have to pretty much put 8-9 in the box every play and play man vs the pass....if teams are doing that and you can protect your QB, you are going to have a lot of success on offense. Which is why Dallas was 3rd-4th in scoring for the first half of the season and Dak was on pace for 38td’s and like 8int’s...problem with Garrett’s scheme is without the run game at an elite level teams can play standard coverages, the only way you can then beat that is by having either elitish QB play amd or eliteish WR play, guys who are just better than everyone else and win their 1 on 1 battles.. Dez is no longer that guy, Dak never was. A good x’s and o’s coach Uses scheme (rub routes, pick plays, formations, route combinations) to get his QB some easy throws, get his wr’s that can’t create seperation, open. Garrett Only know how to use the bootleg to get his qb easy throws, and again, that only works if your run game is killing it....and does absolutely nothing to help the wr’s....I mean nothing. 

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5 hours ago, Utebird said:

So Josh Rosen is the next Jeff George???

How you get that? I think he has more potential to be top level right away. Darnold might have the most potential period, but Rosen is more polished. I think this is a deep QB draft and there could be several good ones come out of it TBH. It all depends where they go. BTW if I were going to compare anyone here to George it would be Darnold. He has that big arm, gunslinger mentality. 

If I were going to compare....(low end/high end potential)

Mayfield-Grossman/R. Wilson-Smallish QB, speed and a good arm. People are comparing to Johnny Foosball, but I think he is more polished and talented in the Wilson mold.

Darnold-M. Stafford/Favre-Big strong QB with a big arm, doesn't read the field much, but is willing to gun it anywhere. Also has some running ability to him like Stafford, or I might have gone with a Jeff George comparison. Like George, every pass he throws is on a rope. 

Rosen-Garoppolo/Brady-Avg. size QB (I'm guessing closer to 6'2 than 6'4 like listed), good arm to make all the throws, reads the field, and will hold the safety with his eyes. He has that speed control a lot of QBs don't have, where he can gun it or touch it in. Darnold and Allen seem to live with the fastball, but Rosen shows more touch, throwing a more catchable ball IMO. 

Allen-Boller/Newton-Big QB, huge arm, very good athlete, literally all the physical tools you could ask for, just like Cam. His accuracy is all over, he will run at the first sign of pressure and will gun it from any angle to anywhere on the field. MVP or not, I consider being like Cam a somewhat bad thing in the sense he is a horrible passer. If molded properly he COULD be Brett Favre. Any other year he is a worthy bet, but I think he is 5th on my list of likely to be successful. 

Rudolph-Winston/Marino. Big QB, above avg arm, puts a ton of air under his deep balls, accurate but seems to throw to his first read a lot. Another comparison could be a Drew Bledsoe too, as I always considered him a poor man's Marino. 

 

All these guys have a ways to develop, but I feel like Rosen and Darnold have less downside. I could easily see Allen or Mayfield busting. Rudolph too, but most people probably wont have him #3 like i do. 

 

 

 

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Because reports are josh rosen is a cocky head case.

Jeff george had all the talent in the world at qb but the dude was a head case whom constantly fought with coaches.

There are more than one report out there stating rosen isnt well liked by teammates and got in arguments with coaches.

Plus hes got that porn stache just like george had?

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On 2/18/2018 at 1:04 PM, Prime said:

Why is this thread half about the Dallas Cowboys? GTFO!

Because I've been prepping for the draft since our season ended week 11

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On 2/10/2018 at 11:24 PM, VaBeach_Eagle said:

I glanced at the title and thought it said 'Nottingham's Big Broad'. I thought maybe you were posting pictures of your wife or girlfriend ...  

I though he was going to rank all the robin hood characters......

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