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Kirk Cousins is the next Brees

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3 hours ago, downundermike said:

@nottingham14 is so embarrassed by the result of this thread he left.

I dont know why he would be. He clearly watched him play to make such a prediction 

 

 

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On ‎5‎/‎8‎/‎2019 at 3:36 PM, nottingham14 said:

🤣🤣🤣 says the lifeless guy obsessed with me that he went through posts looking for something to "catch me on.” 🙄 

He has 4,200 yds, 30 TDs, 10 picks with a 70% comp percent in his first year in a new system. Oh you got me 🤣🤣🤣

Let’s check Brees first year in NO. 

4,400yds, 26TDs 11INTs 64% comp.

 

Why all the stats.....Brees puts up fantasy numbers and wins.   Cousins puts up those same numbers, but can't win big games.  

Brees will be in the HOF......Cousins will have to buy a ticket just like you or I.

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5 hours ago, bears6385 said:

Why all the stats.....Brees puts up fantasy numbers and wins.   Cousins puts up those same numbers, but can't win big games.  

Brees will be in the HOF......Cousins will have to buy a ticket just like you or I.

Exactly this! If you look at regular season stats than Coupons stacks up with the better QBs in the league. But he doesn't deliver in the biggest of games. 

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On 3/15/2018 at 12:31 AM, nottingham14 said:

Ive stated for years Cousins was a poor man's Drew Brees. He is smallish, with talent. Now he is outcast by the team who drafted him because he wasn't "a QB they could win with." And now he is signed in a dome with good WRs, both of which will help his average arm strength. I shake my head at how closely his career has really unfolded like Brees. Ill be curious to see if he finishes it out like Brees has in NO. 

I don't see the correlation between the 2 other they were both free agents (Drew might have been traded). I know this is an old thread, but I assume nothing is changed. Mr. Cousins was never on Drew's level at any point in his career.

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Yeah, like the 2nd coming of Drew Brees is a trap!

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Minnesota Vikings Are Desperate to Escape the NFL's Worst Quarterback Trap

MIKE TANIERMAY 21, 2019

 

Minnesota Vikings quarterback Kirk Cousins (8) watches from the bench during the second half of an NFL football game against the Chicago Bears, Sunday, Dec. 30, 2018, in Minneapolis. (AP Photo/Bruce Kluckhohn)
Bruce Kluckhohn/Associated Press

The end of May is an awful time for a team with Super Bowl aspirations to still be figuring out how to pay its starting tight end.

The Vikings and tight end Kyle Rudolph are at a contract impasse. NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported negotiations broke off last week. Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk later reported that while talks had not stopped, little progress was being made on a new deal. Whether it's the case that the two sides are not talking or the talks are not progressing, things clearly aren't going well.

The 29-year-old Rudolph told Sid Hartman of the Star Tribune that he won't take a pay cut because he is "too young for that," as if anyone needs a reason to bristle at a pay cut. There's lots of trade speculation, which is inevitable when a cap-strapped team and a respected veteran start haggling over pay cuts. 

Over the last four years, Rudolph has caught 253 passes and 24 touchdowns and hasn't missed a start. He's the sort of player a Super Bowl contender typically wants to keep happy.

Rudolph also eats up $7.625 million in cap space this year. The Vikings have just over $1 million in cap space left after signing their rookies, per Over The Cap, and they drafted Irv Smith Jr. in the second round as Rudolph's understudy/replacement. So Minnesota has several incentives to make lowball offers.

Retaining Rudolph would give the Vikings their best chance to win this year. But doing so will leave them with almost no financial flexibility and cause cap headaches in future years. Yet trading or releasing him to save cap space will weaken a veteran roster that can't afford to backslide whatsoever after a disappointing 8-7-1 finish last season.

Welcome to the Quarterback Trap, Minnesota Vikings! You walked right into it last year when you signed Kirk Cousins to a fully guaranteed three-year, $84 million deal. Now you might have to gnaw off your tight end in a flailing effort to escape.

The Quarterback Trap is part Catch-22, part carnivorous plant, part kindergarten finger puzzle. Its mechanisms are simple. NFL teams cannot maintain success without excellent quarterback play. But excellent quarterback play is usually so expensive that it prevents NFL teams from maintaining success.

So far, teams have discovered only two reliable escape routes from the Quarterback Trap:

  • Win before your quarterback becomes expensive, ideally while he's still under his rookie contract.
  • Employ Tom Brady.

Teams without Brady (or a Drew Brees/Aaron Rodgers-esque reasonable facsimile) or a young phenom usually hope for the best by trying to build superteams around affordable journeymen or paying a premium for a veteran and hoping for some MVP seasons as a result. The Vikings flew straight into the pitcher plant with Cousins by paying a premium for a journeyman whose only hope for an MVP season comes from being surrounded by a superteam.

Cousins needs a top-notch supporting cast to be successful. But his salary makes it nearly impossible for the Vikings to maintain a top-notch supporting cast. And so the trap springs shut.

 

Keeping Kyle Rudolph will keep the Vikings in the Super Bowl conversation but will also restrict their ability to improve their roster.
Keeping Kyle Rudolph will keep the Vikings in the Super Bowl conversation but will also restrict their ability to improve their roster.Jose Juarez/Associated Press/Associated Press

Cousins and his backups (Kyle Sloter, Sean Mannion and undrafted rookie Jake Browning, all of whom work for little more than free pizza) cost the Vikings nearly $30.9 million in cap space this year. Only the Patriots and Lions are alloting more cap space to the quarterback position. The Vikings also have $31.6 million in cap space devoted to quarterbacks in 2020; only the Falcons, Steelers and Packers are on the hook for more.

Two years of exorbitant cap allocations for Cousins have forced the Vikings to get cute when negotiating recent extensions:

  • Indispensable wide receiver Adam Thielen signed a four-year extension in April that reduced his 2019 cap hit to $8.1 million by dumping lots of salary and roster bonuses into 2020, 2021 and beyond.
  • Linebacker Anthony Barr's five-year deal after his free-agent courtship (Affair? Brief elopement?) with the Jets is also backloaded with bonuses and guarantees that make him affordable ($5.6 million cap hit) this year but expensive in 2020 and 2021.
  • Defensive end Everson Griffenstuck in the same too-good-to-cut, too-expensive-to-keep limbo as Rudolph—agreed to a team-friendly restructured deal in March that converted a chunk of his salary into performance bonuses and made him easy to release if he doesn't play at a high level this year.

These moves and smaller ones (restructuring linebacker Eric Kendricks' deal, declining the fifth-year option on perma-prospect receiver Laquon Treadwell) are just an elaborate financial shell game. The Vikings are already projected to be more than $3 million over the cap for next year, and they have a shocking $173 million in cap liabilities for 2021 without a quarterback (Cousins' deal expires after 2020). And that's before adding a possible extension for Rudolph.

At least players like Barr, Thielen, Rudolph and Griffen are worth extending. The Vikings overall roster is playoff-caliber. Unfortunately, it's also maxed out, and their cap structure over the next three years will leave them with few avenues for getting better.

The Vikings have little choice but to lowball players and backload contracts. The Kendricks restructuring was necessary just to make room to sign draft picks. Extending the contracts of young veteran starters like cornerbacks Trae Waynes and Mackensie Alexander will be almost impossible for the next two years. Signing even a mid-tier free agent is nearly out of the question for a while. Every attempt to improve comes with the risk of losing a dependable Rudolph or Griffen.

The Vikings never should have stumbled into the Quarterback Trap. They could have re-signed Teddy Bridgewater or Case Keenum, in-house veterans who led the team to the playoffs in past seasons, for much less than Cousins, allowing them to pass the savings along to their own veterans or free-agent upgrades. The Vikings then could have aggressively pursued a rookie quarterback in the 2018 class. Heck, they could have bid for Josh Rosen's services this offseason if they weren't tied to Cousins.

But the need to get better at quarterback, no matter the cost, is the lure of the trap. The Vikings chased a chance at marginal improvement and chose the most expensive of three imperfect solutions.

They are now stuck with that decision.

 

Kirk Cousins guided the Vikings to an 8-7-1 record after signing an $84 million deal with the team last offseason.
Kirk Cousins guided the Vikings to an 8-7-1 record after signing an $84 million deal with the team last offseason.Leon Halip/Getty Images

Vikings co-owner Mark Wilf told Hartman that he expects the Vikings to be "a lot better" after a "disappointing" year in 2018. Team owners are supposed to say things like that in late May, of course. The reality is that a lot of cosmic forces must align for the Vikings to return to Super Bowl contention. Cousins must be better than he ever has been, coaching changes must pay big dividends, rookies like new center Garrett Bradbury and Smith must play immediate roles, the defense must be great for a fifth consecutive year and so on.

If anything goes wrong, the Vikings will be mired in the wild-card chase again, with no cap space and a nucleus that grows a little older and more expensive every season.

The Quarterback Trap doesn't kill a team outright. It just chokes out the team's options and margins for error, leaving it to slowly suffocate under its own attempted solutions.

For the Vikings, what should be a routine decision about a tight end now comes down to the choice between getting lucky or getting even more tangled.

That's one heck of a trap for a team to find itself in two months before training camp starts.

 

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Cousins needs a top-notch supporting cast to be successful.

Aye, there's the rub. If you pay a guy top QB money, he better be able to lead. I think we're about to watch the Vikings go from underachieving to an outright dumpster fire over the next few years.

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On 5/8/2019 at 4:36 PM, nottingham14 said:

🤣🤣🤣 says the lifeless guy obsessed with me that he went through posts looking for something to "catch me on.” 🙄 

He has 4,200 yds, 30 TDs, 10 picks with a 70% comp percent in his first year in a new system. Oh you got me 🤣🤣🤣

Let’s check Brees first year in NO. 

4,400yds, 26TDs 11INTs 64% comp.

 

Stick to your guns mate.  If Cook is healthy Minny will have a bounce back year.

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On 5/21/2019 at 10:39 AM, EaglesRocker97 said:
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Cousins needs a top-notch supporting cast to be successful.

 

Aye, there's the rub. If you pay a guy top QB money, he better be able to lead. I think we're about to watch the Vikings go from underachieving to an outright dumpster fire over the next few years.

 

1 hour ago, dawkins4prez said:

Stick to your guns mate.  If Cook is healthy Minny will have a bounce back year.

 

On 3/15/2018 at 10:56 AM, paco said:

 

Will he get 10-12 wins next year, better than he did any year in Washington?  Given the weapons he has (an actual running game and legit receivers) backed by a solid defense, I'd say that's a good bet.  But they will be the ones making him look good, not the other way around a guy like Brees, Rodgers, or Roethlisberger can.

 

 

Yay!  We are all in agreement! 

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2 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

Stick to your guns mate.  If Cook is healthy Minny will have a bounce back year.

Cook???  Even when he is not hurt, he is a below average RB.  On the fast track to being an NFL bust.  In 11 games last year, what has he done......one great game against the Dolphins.  The other 10 games somewhere between horrible and meh.

 

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