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So why are Championship Ear wins looked down on ? They were fewer teams which in turn meant less Diluted teams. More talent per a team then trying to spread it across 32 teams for big business.  

Why are we not looking at past SuperBowls Pre Cap in a different way ? Teams were no longer able to just throw money around Like MLB to keep top Talent . It turned the game of football into a chess match some what.  

Charles Haley Called out 24 years ago saying he doubts Jerry Jones could be successful in a salary cap era of NFL . Jerry way back then tried selling the no state income tax to players to try and keep them. Thinking that and Superbowls greedy players would choose that over $$.   

 

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May Jerry Jones keep control of the Cowboys for as long as he lives, and may he live a really, really long time. 

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11 hours ago, PoconoDon said:

May Jerry Jones keep control of the Cowboys for as long as he lives, and may he live a really, really long time. 

I would help get him donor organs so he could be immortal 

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Because the two leagues weren’t playing for the end all, be all championship, therefore it was more like an NFCCG than a Super Bowl.

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11 hours ago, Havenless said:

Because the two leagues weren’t playing for the end all, be all championship, therefore it was more like an NFCCG than a Super Bowl.

 

Yes but back then was hard to win because teams with money could buy all the top players. There was not as many spots open either .... so teams were not diluted of talent as they are now 

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The AFL barely existed when the Eagles won in 1960. The Eagles beat the best team available. The same team that beat up the AFL rep in the first 2 SBs. It is not like there was some super powerful team over in the AFL when the Eagles were World Champions.

 

As far as the  pre-cap days, Dallas, SF, and Washington were the big dogs at the end of that era. Look what they have done for the past 20 years when they couldn't just buy top talent whenever they felt like it.

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12 hours ago, NE.Jon said:

 

Yes but back then was hard to win because teams with money could buy all the top players. There was not as many spots open either .... so teams were not diluted of talent as they are now 

Teams were as balanced then as they are now. You say they’re diluted, but everyone was stacked back then. And it wasn’t about who had money, Green Bay is the smallest market in the league and it has the best pre-SB pedigree.

everyone is diluted, even playing field. Everyone is a pro bowl team, even playing field. In that sense it doesn’t matter.

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4 hours ago, Havenless said:

Teams were as balanced then as they are now. You say they’re diluted, but everyone was stacked back then. And it wasn’t about who had money, Green Bay is the smallest market in the league and it has the best pre-SB pedigree.

everyone is diluted, even playing field. Everyone is a pro bowl team, even playing field. In that sense it doesn’t matter.

 

GreenBay had the greatest mind in Football .... You dont think we have some diluted teams right now ?  because rosters sizes of 32 teams now compared to less back then ... Im sorry less room mean less room for lesser talented players 

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4 hours ago, NE.Jon said:

 

GreenBay had the greatest mind in Football .... You dont think we have some diluted teams right now ?  because rosters sizes of 32 teams now compared to less back then ... Im sorry less room mean less room for lesser talented players 

Yes it's more diluted. What I'm saying is everyone is more diluted, so teams are on equal ground the same way they were on equal ground were everyone was stacked.

It really doesn't matter which way it is, because competition is close to even either way. The Salary Cap and the draft keep it moreso now.

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Anyone who looks down on pre-Super Bowl era championships, is just wrong. The majority of people who I've seen try to invalidate old championships, were Redskins, Cowboys or Giants fans and they did so as a way of 'belittling' the Eagles. But any serious football fan gives the NFL's history it's proper respect.

If you invalidate pre-Super Bowl Championships, then you have to invalidate Jim Brown's career and he can't be considered one of the 'greatest' RB's of all time. You have to go through the NFL record books and throw out all records pre-1970, when the merge took place and go through the hall of fame and eject all pre-merge players if you're going to begin invalidating any portion of the history. If the Champions are invalidated, then every other team and every other player is also invalidated.

Super Bowls I, II, III and IV are also invalidated, because they were before the merge and the Super Bowl teams played their entire seasons in that pre-Super Bowl era manor with only a single game being against the opposite league. The first two "Super Bowls" weren't even really named "Super Bowl" until after the fact.

The first 'Vince Lombardi Trophy' wasn't awarded until Super Bowl V, and went to the Colts.

If the argument is that there were fewer teams back then, well, there were fewer teams when Super Bowl I was played than when Super Bowl XI was played. There were fewer teams in the league when Super Bowl XX was played than when Super Bowl XXX was played and there were fewer teams in the league when Super Bowl XXX was played than when Super Bowl XL was played. So, if it's the argument that there were fewer teams, then do we invalidate all Championships from before 1976 when there were only 26 teams? After all, there were 6 fewer teams.

In 1978, the league went from a 14 game season to a 16 game season, so do we invalidate all seasons that had fewer than 16 games? That eliminates a few from the 16 game era also because in 1982 and 1987 the strikes shortened the season. Those two seasons were Redskins Super Bowls, so I don't mind eliminating those... lol

Even playoff seeding changed over the years. From 1970 to 1978, there were only 8 playoff teams. So there was the Divisional Round, then the Conference Championship games then the Super Bowl. In 1978, it changed from 8 to 10 teams adding 2 Wildcard teams and the Wildcard round. In 1990 it changed again to add 2 more teams, to put us at the 12 teams that we have now and not only do the #1 Seeds get a bye, but so to do the #2 Seeds.

So, do we invalidate all championships before 1990? Then there's the salary cap era, it's harder to build a championship team in the salary cap era than it was pre-cap. Do we eliminate all pre-Cap championships?

No, all championships are valid. They reflect the best team of the year in which they won the Championship. You can't compare the 1948 NFL Champions to the 1984 NFL Champions just like you can't compare the 1984 NFL Champions to the 2014 NFL Champions.

The champions of their particular year are the champions for their particular year, period.

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They just don’t wanna hear that the Philadelphia Eagles are the only team to beat the mighty Vince Lombardi Packers in a title game.

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Pre-merger there was a 16-team NFL and 10-team AFL. After the merger, it was a 26-team league. That was a bigger jump, and it's a clean split.  Only a net +6 team increase since then.

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On 5/2/2018 at 7:22 AM, NE.Jon said:

So why are Championship Ear wins looked down on ? They were fewer teams which in turn meant less Diluted teams. More talent per a team then trying to spread it across 32 teams for big business.  

Why are we not looking at past SuperBowls Pre Cap in a different way ? Teams were no longer able to just throw money around Like MLB to keep top Talent . It turned the game of football into a chess match some what.  

Charles Haley Called out 24 years ago saying he doubts Jerry Jones could be successful in a salary cap era of NFL . Jerry way back then tried selling the no state income tax to players to try and keep them. Thinking that and Superbowls greedy players would choose that over $$.   

 

Because it was pre-merger.  There was no AFL. It wasn't the modern NFL.  There were 2 divisions I think...  They just aren't as meaningful.  It doesn't mean they mean nothing, but they don't mean as much.

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On 5/5/2018 at 12:20 PM, Havenless said:

Yes it's more diluted. What I'm saying is everyone is more diluted, so teams are on equal ground the same way they were on equal ground were everyone was stacked.

It really doesn't matter which way it is, because competition is close to even either way. The Salary Cap and the draft keep it moreso now.

There is actually a lot more talent now then there was then because of the amount of money these guys make now.  The only position I have seen become diluted is running back and that is obviously because you would have to be insane to want to play that position in the NFL if you had any other options. 

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