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Also if the Eagles offered McCown the QB job likely means we promote Press to OC not sure that is happening... Press doesn’t seem to be going anywhere or we would have moved him by now. 

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1 hour ago, Don Corleone said:

I'd be very disappointed if either Duce or Press were promoted to OC.

Not what I want either was just stating the obvious on if we gave McCown the QB job....Since we seem to like Press 

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2 hours ago, Don Corleone said:

I'd be very disappointed if either Duce or Press were promoted to OC.

Doug calls the plays ... its a babysitter job, keep Doug from passing too much.  Eventually it will be Duce ... 2022 at the latest.   

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4 hours ago, mjkline1958 said:

Someone mentioned cap so throwing this in, go thru and check off players who won't be here;

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/philadelphia-eagles/

FYI - as they sit now, dullass has 81 mill. Was hoping they were further up against it w/ some pretty good FA's - oh well

Bradham or Jenkins are the only top guys who would save cap space by releasing them.   I think more natural turnover this year with guys leaving that are first time free agents...and Darby too.  

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1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Doug calls the plays ... its a babysitter job, keep Doug from passing too much.  Eventually it will be Duce ... 2022 at the latest.   

I couldn't really careless who calls the plays, neither one of them should be the Eagles OC.

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3 hours ago, Don Corleone said:

I couldn't really careless who calls the plays, neither one of them should be the Eagles OC.

What are you looking for the OC to do?  Just curious because...that should be the reason for why you don't think either of these guys could do the job?

For me.. I don't think it's " play design" like a lot of people do...Doug has his plays.  I don't think it's " playcalling" either.    

So... with that said... for me, it's irrelevant the who... as long as it's someone who can tell Doug to stop passing 50 times a game, or someone who can let Wentz have control. 

For now, I think it's obvious they want an outside voice.    That may come in the form of an OC.. or a guy replacing one or two of the position coaches.  Whichever title they get .. who cares?  

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2019 NFL Offensive Play Selection 

Team Gms Plays Rush Rush% Pass Pass%
Philadelphia Eagles 16 1104 454 41.1 650 58.9
Atlanta Falcons 16 1096 362 33.0 734 67.0
New England Patriots 16 1095 447 40.8 648 59.2
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 1086 409 37.7 677 62.3
Carolina Panthers 16 1077 386 35.8 691 64.2
Dallas Cowboys 16 1069 449 42.0 620 58.0
Baltimore Ravens 16 1064 596 56.0 468 44.0
Los Angeles Rams 16 1055 401 38.0 654 62.0
Cincinnati Bengals 16 1049 385 36.7 664 63.3
Seattle Seahawks 16 1046 481 46.0 565 54.0
Miami Dolphins 16 1022 349 34.1 673 65.9
Detroit Lions 16 1021 407 39.9 614 60.1
Chicago Bears 16 1020 395 38.7 625 61.3
Green Bay Packers 16 1020 411 40.3 609 59.7
Jacksonville Jaguars 16 1020 389 38.1 631 61.9
Buffalo Bills 16 1018 465 45.7 553 54.3
Houston Texans 16 1017 434 42.7 583 57.3
Indianapolis Colts 16 1016 471 46.4 545 53.6
New York Giants 16 1012 362 35.8 650 64.2
San Francisco 49ers 16 1012 498 49.2 514 50.8
New Orleans Saints 16 1011 405 40.1 606 59.9
Arizona Cardinals 16 1000 396 39.6 604 60.4
Los Angeles Chargers 16 997 366 36.7 631 63.3
Oakland Raiders 16 989 437 44.2 552 55.8
Kansas City Chiefs 16 976 375 38.4 601 61.6
Cleveland Browns 16 973 393 40.4 580 59.6
Minnesota Vikings 16 970 476 49.1 494 50.9
New York Jets 16 956 383 40.1 573 59.9
Denver Broncos 16 954 409 42.9 545 57.1
Tennessee Titans 16 949 445 46.9 504 53.1
Pittsburgh Steelers 16 937 395 42.2 542 57.8
Washington Redskins 16 885 356 40.2 529 59.8

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1 hour ago, 1wrangler said:

2019 NFL Offensive Play Selection 

Team Gms Plays Rush Rush% Pass Pass%
Philadelphia Eagles 16 1104 454 41.1 650 58.9
Atlanta Falcons 16 1096 362 33.0 734 67.0
New England Patriots 16 1095 447 40.8 648 59.2
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 1086 409 37.7 677 62.3
Carolina Panthers 16 1077 386 35.8 691 64.2
Dallas Cowboys 16 1069 449 42.0 620 58.0
Baltimore Ravens 16 1064 596 56.0 468 44.0
Los Angeles Rams 16 1055 401 38.0 654 62.0
Cincinnati Bengals 16 1049 385 36.7 664 63.3
Seattle Seahawks 16 1046 481 46.0 565 54.0
Miami Dolphins 16 1022 349 34.1 673 65.9
Detroit Lions 16 1021 407 39.9 614 60.1
Chicago Bears 16 1020 395 38.7 625 61.3
Green Bay Packers 16 1020 411 40.3 609 59.7
Jacksonville Jaguars 16 1020 389 38.1 631 61.9
Buffalo Bills 16 1018 465 45.7 553 54.3
Houston Texans 16 1017 434 42.7 583 57.3
Indianapolis Colts 16 1016 471 46.4 545 53.6
New York Giants 16 1012 362 35.8 650 64.2
San Francisco 49ers 16 1012 498 49.2 514 50.8
New Orleans Saints 16 1011 405 40.1 606 59.9
Arizona Cardinals 16 1000 396 39.6 604 60.4
Los Angeles Chargers 16 997 366 36.7 631 63.3
Oakland Raiders 16 989 437 44.2 552 55.8
Kansas City Chiefs 16 976 375 38.4 601 61.6
Cleveland Browns 16 973 393 40.4 580 59.6
Minnesota Vikings 16 970 476 49.1 494 50.9
New York Jets 16 956 383 40.1 573 59.9
Denver Broncos 16 954 409 42.9 545 57.1
Tennessee Titans 16 949 445 46.9 504 53.1
Pittsburgh Steelers 16 937 395 42.2 542 57.8
Washington Redskins 16 885 356 40.2 529 59.8

Question to ask though ... how is this skewed game by game... like Buffalo and Green Bay they ran a lot.  QB runs count as runs not passes.. while its really a pass call.   QB sneaks...etc.  There were plenty of times I thought Doug got away from the run too early or didn't even try it enough...etc.    I do think the injuries played a factor though.  

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1 hour ago, 1wrangler said:

2019 NFL Offensive Play Selection 

Team Gms Plays Rush Rush% Pass Pass%
Philadelphia Eagles 16 1104 454 41.1 650 58.9
Atlanta Falcons 16 1096 362 33.0 734 67.0
New England Patriots 16 1095 447 40.8 648 59.2
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 1086 409 37.7 677 62.3
Carolina Panthers 16 1077 386 35.8 691 64.2
Dallas Cowboys 16 1069 449 42.0 620 58.0
Baltimore Ravens 16 1064 596 56.0 468 44.0
Los Angeles Rams 16 1055 401 38.0 654 62.0
Cincinnati Bengals 16 1049 385 36.7 664 63.3
Seattle Seahawks 16 1046 481 46.0 565 54.0
Miami Dolphins 16 1022 349 34.1 673 65.9
Detroit Lions 16 1021 407 39.9 614 60.1
Chicago Bears 16 1020 395 38.7 625 61.3
Green Bay Packers 16 1020 411 40.3 609 59.7
Jacksonville Jaguars 16 1020 389 38.1 631 61.9
Buffalo Bills 16 1018 465 45.7 553 54.3
Houston Texans 16 1017 434 42.7 583 57.3
Indianapolis Colts 16 1016 471 46.4 545 53.6
New York Giants 16 1012 362 35.8 650 64.2
San Francisco 49ers 16 1012 498 49.2 514 50.8
New Orleans Saints 16 1011 405 40.1 606 59.9
Arizona Cardinals 16 1000 396 39.6 604 60.4
Los Angeles Chargers 16 997 366 36.7 631 63.3
Oakland Raiders 16 989 437 44.2 552 55.8
Kansas City Chiefs 16 976 375 38.4 601 61.6
Cleveland Browns 16 973 393 40.4 580 59.6
Minnesota Vikings 16 970 476 49.1 494 50.9
New York Jets 16 956 383 40.1 573 59.9
Denver Broncos 16 954 409 42.9 545 57.1
Tennessee Titans 16 949 445 46.9 504 53.1
Pittsburgh Steelers 16 937 395 42.2 542 57.8
Washington Redskins 16 885 356 40.2 529 59.8

Looks like Eagles we’re right around the league avg.  in run-pass ratio 

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17 hours ago, Don Corleone said:

Ask yourself this Ham. When was the last time the Eagles drafted LB in the first round?

Going all the way back to 1936, they've only ever drafted 3 LB's in the 1st round, 1956 Bob Pelligrini from Maryland, 1970 Steve Zabel from Oklahoma and 1979 Jerry Robinson from UCLA. From the sounds of it, they are going to fill the CB need through FA, which would leave them targeting WR early in the draft. My guess is, with the amount of picks (10) they're looking to have, they're going to try and move up to nab the guy they want.

Yeah I can see us moving around for players.Think we will go FA for CB also(as usual),still feel though this is a nice(but limited) class to grab a future one(I have Adebo in 2).IDK if we would give up what is needed for Jeudy.He seems to be the concensus #1 WR. Think Hill from OSU is being underrated and another is Smith from Bama,who is overshadowed by the other 2 they have.I would like to take 2 WR's(maybe 3 if they are the BPA in later rounds) With no WR's over 500 yards,it would seem to me they would not use draft capital to move up.There will still be nice WR's at 21

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Eagles have interviewed former Falcons defensive coordinator Marquand Manuel for defensive backs coach and a deal could happen as early as today, per source. Manuel was a key member of Atlanta’s defense during Super Bowl run, can help a Philly secondary that needs it.

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Get the feeling we will pursue a FA CB and WR this offseason...Byron Jones as of right now seem to be the hot name at CB. But feel like Robby Anderson is someone we will strongly look into as well we have shown interest in him past two seasons trying to trade for him if the asking price is right definitely can see us adding him as well. 
 

Also don’t believe adding Anderson or Jones would alter our draft approach still see us adding both fairly high viva the draft. 

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22 hours ago, GreenbleedinFL said:

OK so I will re-phrase that it is rare.8 guys in 10 years for 32 teams.I sit corrected.Unless there are no quality players I need somewhere else,I would not take a first rounder

LOL GB old buddy old pal, I didn't post the Centers that were taken in the first round to correct you at all. I thought the board might be interested in the ones that were taken after you brought it up. That is the problem sometimes with this type of communication. You don't always know the intent of the person who wrote the response. Knowing how you feel about skill position players I will give you a hypothetical to answer. There is no right or wrong answer just your preference.  The Eagles are on the clock with the 21st pick in the draft.  Their number one rated Center is still on the board. Their number 4 rated wide receiver is still there. Their number 2 rated linebacker is there. Their number 3 rated Cornerback and their number 3 rated safety. Your on the clock. Time is yours. Who are you selecting?

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20 minutes ago, 1wrangler said:

LOL GB old buddy old pal, I didn't post the Centers that were taken in the first round to correct you at all. I thought the board might be interested in the ones that were taken after you brought it up. That is the problem sometimes with this type of communication. You don't always know the intent of the person who wrote the response. Knowing how you feel about skill position players I will give you a hypothetical to answer. There is no right or wrong answer just your preference.  The Eagles are on the clock with the 21st pick in the draft.  Their number one rated Center is still on the board. Their number 4 rated wide receiver is still there. Their number 2 rated linebacker is there. Their number 3 rated Cornerback and their number 3 rated safety. Your on the clock. Time is yours. Who are you selecting?

This is a tricky one....I mean just because I have this guy as the top of his position doesn’t mean I have him rated higher then the 3rd or 4th highest guy at another(really can come down to the strength of the class)....If we base it off this draft class likely still going with WR/CB at 21 just because of the strength of this years class

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16 minutes ago, 1wrangler said:

LOL GB old buddy old pal, I didn't post the Centers that were taken in the first round to correct you at all. I thought the board might be interested in the ones that were taken after you brought it up. That is the problem sometimes with this type of communication. You don't always know the intent of the person who wrote the response. Knowing how you feel about skill position players I will give you a hypothetical to answer. There is no right or wrong answer just your preference.  The Eagles are on the clock with the 21st pick in the draft.  Their number one rated Center is still on the board. Their number 4 rated wide receiver is still there. Their number 2 rated linebacker is there. Their number 3 rated Cornerback and their number 3 rated safety. Your on the clock. Time is yours. Who are you selecting?

The position I need help at the most and/or the position I see us being thin at.Unless Kelce has told me he is retiring,I let that C go.I can pick up one in FA or grab a few UDFA's and let them battle for the BU spot.Seems we take guys that are OG/C.People have been saying Kelce is "too small" or is retiring for how many years now? And if I take a guy at #21,you better bet he plays. So if you draft a C first,you sitting Kelce? If my #1 choice can't play,thats on the scouting dept and whomever made the decision to go get them.BTW,I am fine being corrected by facts.I'm still young enough to learn things and old enough to admit I'm wrong.In the above scenario,I still take a WR, because A) we will need at least one going forward B) this is a great class where the #4 rated WR maybe the #1 or #2 in any other draft

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SO Wrang,I would ask you this.How big a difference is there between our #1 rated C and our #4 rated C? And is that #1C such a beast,we can't afford to lose him?  C is an important position obviously,but I don't consider them "playmakers".Obviously they need to hold their ground or help open a hole,but as of yet I have not seen a game that hinges on the C position or a C that has been the game MVP.(could be wrong here too lol) 

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Just now, GreenbleedinFL said:

SO Wrang,I would ask you this.How big a difference is there between our #1 rated C and our #4 rated C? And is that #1C such a beast,we can't afford to lose him? If you look at most big boards,it's pretty rare to see a C that is rated in the top 50 or even 100. C is an important position obviously,but I don't consider them "playmakers".Obviously they need to hold their ground or help open a hole,but as of yet I have not seen a game that hinges on the C position or a C that has been the game MVP.(could be wrong here too lol) 

I'm not getting that complicated. The Eagles have a need at Center, they have a need at CB,S, Linebacker and they have a need at WR. Only they can determine which need is more important. Just like only you can determine which need is the most important while you select. Lots of intangibles could be involved in this first pick but I didn't want you to get a  migraine thinking about it.

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1 minute ago, 1wrangler said:

I'm not getting that complicated. The Eagles have a need at Center, they have a need at CB,S, Linebacker and they have a need at WR. Only they can determine which need is more important. Just like only you can determine which need is the most important while you select. Lots of intangibles could be involved in this first pick but I didn't want you to get a  migraine thinking about it.

LOL too old for that my friend.I was perusing this years notable C's.We could still take one,but I can't see it before round 5.Need a guy that could still use a little help on the learning curve.I suppose we have that guy in Herbig,if he pans out.IDK if we would roster 2 C's,so there are guys to snatch off PS's if we get in a real pinch.As I said,if Kelce told me he was done,then that would change things for me

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Think that is little underrating of the C...Of course if they are good wont get noticed we never truly notice OL unless they do something bad...But in Kelce case he usually makes most of the protection calls aiding the QB he also is fantastic getting in space and pulling etc. how many times have we seen him 10-15 yards down the field blocking.

 But not in any rush to get a new C not giving up on Semaulo quite yet as a C i also really like what I see from Herbig last preseason/ camp and hope he keeps growing. 

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7 minutes ago, BleedingGreen93 said:

Think that is little underrating of the C...Of course if they are good wont get noticed we never truly notice OL unless they do something bad...But in Kelce case he usually makes most of the protection calls aiding the QB he also is fantastic getting in space and pulling etc. how many times have we seen him 10-15 yards down the field blocking.

 But not in any rush to get a new C not giving up on Semaulo quite yet as a C i also really like what I see from Herbig last preseason/ camp and hope he keeps growing. 

Well my point is,if we took a C at 21,you are forced to roster him as he would get poached off a PS(and why we tend to get those OG/C's because if I roster you I would rather have you had the ability to play both in a bind)).If I need a C,I can poach off others PS cause they will put them there also instead of rostering them.It's a rather "unsung" position. It's also tough because they really generate no stats to speak of.You can only watch a ton of film and make your best calculation

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It has been a long time since I watched an offensive line zone run block like the 49er's did against the Packers. You just don't normally see holes to run through that large in the NFL. Mostart had a nice game but if you can't run through a hole that large something is wrong with you. I'm old school but I value the O-line more than most. If Wentz isn't kept standing up, none of the rest matters. JMO.

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