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4 minutes ago, downwithdallas said:

Yes they are 6 million from his cap hit from cutting him and 1.6 million after resigning him add it up 7.6 million 

LOL no, they aren't paying him that $6 million. That was already paid out at the time he signed the contract, it's just what was left of the pro rated bonus when they released him, you don't count both of them together and say "they're paying Jernigan $7.6 million."

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Just now, Don Corleone said:

LOL no, they aren't paying him that $6 million. That was already paid out at the time he signed the contract, it's just what was left of the pro rated bonus when they released him

It counts against the cap THIS YEAR. There for he is on the books being paid 7.6 million for this year.

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1 minute ago, downwithdallas said:

It counts against the cap THIS YEAR. There for he is on the books being paid 7.6 million for this year.

BUT YOU DON'T COUNT THEM TOGETHER AND SAY THEY'RE PAYING HIM $7.6 MILLION!!! Yes, it counts against the cap this year, HOWEVER, it was already paid out, they aren't paying him anything in regards to that $6 million JFC!!!

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3 minutes ago, Don Corleone said:

LOL no, they aren't paying him that $6 million. That was already paid out at the time he signed the contract, it's just what was left of the pro rated bonus when they released him

And actually the guaranteed money is not paid out when signed that is the signing bonus. That much of his salary is fully guaranteed that year they paid that out when he was cut.

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2 minutes ago, downwithdallas said:

And actually the guaranteed money is not paid out when signed that is the signing bonus. That much of his salary is fully guaranteed that year they paid that out when he was cut.

:rolleyes:Regardless of when/who/where/how it was paid, you don't add them together and say "they're paying Jernigan $7.6 million."

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4 minutes ago, downwithdallas said:

And actually the guaranteed money is not paid out when signed that is the signing bonus. That much of his salary is fully guaranteed that year they paid that out when he was cut.

And BTW, he didn't have anymore guarantees on his contract, his injury voided that and 2019 was an option year. The cap hit was from the pro rated bonus of the original contract that the Eagles had already paid out!!!

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1 minute ago, Don Corleone said:

:rolleyes:Regardless of when/who/where/how it was paid, you don't add them together and say "they're paying Jernigan $7.6 million."

Did he not get cut this year are we not paying him and additional 1.6 million this year we are paying him 7.6 million this year. 

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6 minutes ago, downwithdallas said:

Did he not get cut this year are we not paying him and additional 1.6 million this year we are paying him 7.6 million this year. 

No!!! They aren't paying him $7.6 million this year, you're dead a** wrong and can't admit it. The $6 million was the remaining pro rated bonus that was left from the ORIGINAL contract he had signed, thus, it was money that was already paid to him, not money he's currently being paid.

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If they don't pick up Jernigan's option... 

• The Eagles will on the hook for the aforementioned $2 million signing bonus proration in 2019, plus $2 million each in 2020 and 2021, which would both accelerate into 2019. That would mean a dead money charge of $6 million.

• The Eagles' total savings in 2019 would be $7 million.

https://www.phillyvoice.com/clearing-timmy-jernigan-report-and-his-contract-situation/

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2 hours ago, GreenbleedinFL said:

Count how many wins Aaron Rodgers,Andrew Luck,Big Ben have had recently.It takes a whole 

Sure... which position has had more success the last decade?  Show me the top RB that actually did win?  

Where as Brady,  Manning , Wilson, Rodgers, Brees, Big Ben have actually won titles. 

Marshall Faulk is your answer.   1999.

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1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Sure... which position has had more success the last decade?  Show me the top RB that actually did win?  

Where as Brady,  Manning , Wilson, Rodgers, Brees, Big Ben have actually won titles. 

Marshall Faulk is your answer.   1999.

Its a team effort.The QB gets the glory,thats all it is

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3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinFL said:

Its a team effort.The QB gets the glory,thats all it is

Ok... which teams are favorites? The teams with the best RBs or the best QBs?  Which position has produced a better record , more playoff wins and more SB titles in the last 20 years?

You can go look at your top 5 rushers each year or your top 5 passes.  You can go look at your pro bowl RBs vs pro bowl QBs each year.   Or you can go bye who you consider the best.

There is a reason why when you add up all those things for Adrisn Pederson, Shady, Arian Foster,  Bell, David Johnson, Zeke, Ladaian Tomlinson.... and you can even eliminate Peyton Manning and Tom Brady from the equation, and it's still lopsided towards the QB.  If you think it's coincidental over that 20 year period or that it just so happened that the QBs had the better teams around them... by that wide of a margin... then we agree to disagree.   I want the stud QB on 21st century football.  

But I will take the RB on my fantasy team. 

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18 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Ok... which teams are favorites? The teams with the best RBs or the best QBs?  Which position has produced a better record , more playoff wins and more SB titles in the last 20 years?

You can go look at your top 5 rushers each year or your top 5 passes.  You can go look at your pro bowl RBs vs pro bowl QBs each year.   Or you can go bye who you consider the best.

There is a reason why when you add up all those things for Adrisn Pederson, Shady, Arian Foster,  Bell, David Johnson, Zeke, Ladaian Tomlinson.... and you can even eliminate Peyton Manning and Tom Brady from the equation, and it's still lopsided towards the QB.  If you think it's coincidental over that 20 year period or that it just so happened that the QBs had the better teams around them... by that wide of a margin... then we agree to disagree.   I want the stud QB on 21st century football.  

But I will take the RB on my fantasy team. 

Didnt all team members contribute? 

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44 minutes ago, Don Corleone said:

So technically you're right, but cash value means nothing the cap value means everything. His cap value is 7.6 million this year. So this years cap hit is 22.3 million and next year we are paying the DTs 33.6 million to the DTs we are more than likely not going to sign McCoy or trade for Jones and put another big money contract on top of them.

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Would Big ben have had the success he had without the top WR's and RB's they find? For a team to have success,they need a running game.Most successful QB's have that.IDK of any QB on any team that got there without a RB contributing whether it be one stud,or a combo of "decent".Also most QB's can't be on the field for 50 minutes,so once again it's a team effort.When a team wins the QB gets the glory,when they lose he gets bashed.I also know of many QB's who are good but without a supporting cast or running game go nowhere.Andy dalton is a decent QB but they dont have the team to win,same with the Ravens and a host of others,so once again if teams choose to start the rebuild with a RB,then thats how they see it.So apparently we Do disagree as IMO there is no set pattern on how to build a team  

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30 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Ok... which teams are favorites? The teams with the best RBs or the best QBs?  Which position has produced a better record , more playoff wins and more SB titles in the last 20 years?

You can go look at your top 5 rushers each year or your top 5 passes.  You can go look at your pro bowl RBs vs pro bowl QBs each year.   Or you can go bye who you consider the best.

There is a reason why when you add up all those things for Adrisn Pederson, Shady, Arian Foster,  Bell, David Johnson, Zeke, Ladaian Tomlinson.... and you can even eliminate Peyton Manning and Tom Brady from the equation, and it's still lopsided towards the QB.  If you think it's coincidental over that 20 year period or that it just so happened that the QBs had the better teams around them... by that wide of a margin... then we agree to disagree.   I want the stud QB on 21st century football.  

But I will take the RB on my fantasy team. 

You can debate RB vrs QB all day long it doesn't matter which one you pick if you can't protect them and the defense isn't any good. A QB needs weapons around him. Name one QB that did it himself. I could argue all day that a great RB can mean more to a team with less around them. I can also argue without Barkley the Giants would have probably had the #1 pick this year as well and not probably get to much of a debate back. That was with a top 3 receiver as well.

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43 minutes ago, GreenbleedinFL said:

Didnt all team members contribute? 

IDK, like I said,,, if you think its coincidence ...and give James White and  Tom Brady equal credit ofr the teams success... we will agree to disagree.  

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SB winners this century ... tell me which position that you feel had more impact on winning.  All those big name RBs on this list... .lol  

2019 ... Tom Brady ... Sony Michelle
2018  ... Foles/ Wentz ... Ajayi
2017 ... Tom Brady ... James White
2016 ... Peyton Manning ... Ronnie Hillman
2015 ... Tom Brady ... Dion Lewis
2014 ... Russell Wilson ... Marshawn Lynch
2013 ...Joe Flacco .. Ray Rice
2012 ... Eli Manning ... Ahmad Bradshaw
2011 ... Aaron Rodgers ... Brandon Jackson
2010 ... Drew Brees ... Duce McCallister
2009 ... Big Ben ...  Willie Parker
2008 ... Eli Manning ... Brandon Jacobs
2007 ... Peyton Manning ... Dominic Rhodes
2006 ... Big Ben .... Willie Parker
2005 ... Tom Brady ... Correy Dillon
2004 ... Tom Brady ... Antowain Smith
2003 ... Brad Johnson ... Michael Pittman
2002 ... Tom Brady ...  Antowain Smith
2001 ... Trent Dilfer ... Jamal Lewis

  

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56 minutes ago, GreenbleedinFL said:

Would Big ben have had the success he had without the top WR's and RB's they find? For a team to have success,they need a running game.Most successful QB's have that.IDK of any QB on any team that got there without a RB contributing whether it be one stud,or a combo of "decent".Also most QB's can't be on the field for 50 minutes,so once again it's a team effort.When a team wins the QB gets the glory,when they lose he gets bashed.I also know of many QB's who are good but without a supporting cast or running game go nowhere.Andy dalton is a decent QB but they dont have the team to win,same with the Ravens and a host of others,so once again if teams choose to start the rebuild with a RB,then thats how they see it.So apparently we Do disagree as IMO there is no set pattern on how to build a team  

Thanks for bringing this up.   Who is the best WR Big Ben has played with?      

Who is the best RB Big Ben has played with?

Yet ... he won 2 SBs without Bell or Brown.      The top guys.   

This is the BPA argument where people say they aren't going to draft a punter in round 1 .... "its a team game"  No kidding.     A ship can't sail without the guy working the sails... would you prefer to have that guy or the better captain?   The better stewardess or the better pilot?   The top QBs have won ... the top RBs just really haven't    Doesn't mean the QBs haven't had decent RBs...   

But if you show teams with top RBs and teams with top QBs ... its not close.   A stud RB with a decent QB isn't going to win much.... a stud QB with a decent RB can.    It's just how it is.    

The team game argument is obvious... yes you need 11 guys on the field for each team... however one position matters more ... and that is QB.  Its proven over the last 20 years.  

 

 

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Who are your best QBs around the league ... give me your top 5 guys!

Who are your top RBs around the league.... give me your top 5 guys.

Which teams do you think will win more games... the teams with the top 5 RBs or the top 5 QBs?      and is it close?   

 

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1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Sure... which position has had more success the last decade?  Show me the top RB that actually did win?  

Where as Brady,  Manning , Wilson, Rodgers, Brees, Big Ben have actually won titles. 

Marshall Faulk is your answer.   1999.

Marshawn Lynch

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31 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Marshawn Lynch

Yep... with Wilson and a stud D. He is the exception.   

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