Happyfoosball

It's time for the Giants to make the Eli to Jacksonville trade happen

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At 3-4, the Jags are in a position where they have to start winning again now.  As we all know the Giants aren't going anywhere.  Bortles just got benched.  They have no answer at QB and they have an elite defense that is built to win now.  Not to mention a sick running game.  The Giants need to tank to get the #1 pick.  They should call the Jags, eat Bortles contract.  We will have the space to do it over the next few years.  That gets us to 1-15.  That gets us the #1 pick.  The Giants will not get a QB unless they have the #1 pick.  The Raiders will not trade.  This is fairly simple.  They have to make it happen.  If this happens the first thing the Giants should do is release Bortles as soon as they are allowed too.  Start Kyle L. to see what he has.  Then they can go from there.

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The Jags already have a QB that isn't good, why would they trade for another?  Teams in the Jags situation try to better themselves, adding Elisha Manning isn't accomplishing anything of that nature.  Shoulda drafted that qb.......:whistle:

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53 minutes ago, vincent_NJG said:

Eli has a no trade clause. He's not going anywhere

He'll waive it to go there.   If he stays here is the plan, he's gonna have to sit.  We gotta see the rookie to find out if he has anything.   it's just how it is.   The problem will become if they start winning.  Right now winning is the worst thing that could happen to the Giants. 

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I seriously doubt he would waive it. He put it there for a reason. He would rather not have to uproot the family to spend half a season in Jacksonville and learn yet another offense.

I got no problem with him heading to the bench other than his play is part of why the Giants aren't winning. Kyle has mobility and can buy extra time. 

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20 minutes ago, vincent_NJG said:

I seriously doubt he would waive it. He put it there for a reason. He would rather not have to uproot the family to spend half a season in Jacksonville and learn yet another offense.

I got no problem with him heading to the bench other than his play is part of why the Giants aren't winning. Kyle has mobility and can buy extra time. 

The team isn't winning because they stink.  Especially on the line.  Switching the QB won't help but Eli is 37 and we need to find out what Lauletta has.  I doubt he has anything.  He didn't look that mobile to me in the preseason either, especially for a young guy but we need to find out. 

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I'm with Vince on this one. No way Eli waives his no trade to go to friggin Jacksonville. 

Also, why would the Giants take on Bortles' contract when they can just cut Eli and save $17M next year? If they cut Bortles they only save $4.5M. 

Just move on from Eli, draft or trade for a young guy and go from there. No need to take on someone else's problem....unless a high round pick comes with it. 

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Eli is better than Bortles, even at the twilight of his career. There is a problem with this trade scenario though.

  • The Giants have the weapons but the line is getting Eli killed.
  • In Jacksonville it will be the opposite. The line is fine but they have no weapons.

The Jags are just a bunch of JAGs 

  • Ramsey is a good corner, but top 10 good who thinks he is Deion Sanders.
  • Calais Campbell is a heck of an interior pass rusher.
  • AJ Bouye is a very good #2 corner.

The rest of the team is not special. They were 10-6 last year because they beat up on 5 games (Indy x2, Houston - Deshaun x2, 0-16 Cleveland)

  • Brissett x2
  • Kizer
  • Yates
  • Savage (and Watson in week 1 rookie mop up duty who played them about even)

A bunch of fools thought they were the next '85 Bears.

The stats in the other 11 games showed them to be a mediocre team.

This year is just proving that out.

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1 hour ago, skippyx said:

Eli is better than Bortles, even at the twilight of his career. There is a problem with this trade scenario though.

  • The Giants have the weapons but the line is getting Eli killed.
  • In Jacksonville it will be the opposite. The line is fine but they have no weapons.

The Jags are just a bunch of JAGs 

  • Ramsey is a good corner, but top 10 good who thinks he is Deion Sanders.
  • Calais Campbell is a heck of an interior pass rusher.
  • AJ Bouye is a very good #2 corner.

The rest of the team is not special. They were 10-6 last year because they beat up on 5 games (Indy x2, Houston - Deshaun x2, 0-16 Cleveland)

  • Brissett x2
  • Kizer
  • Yates
  • Savage (and Watson in week 1 rookie mop up duty who played them about even)

A bunch of fools thought they were the next '85 Bears.

The stats in the other 11 games showed them to be a mediocre team.

This year is just proving that out.

The Jags 2017 regular season results had nothing to do with the hype they received for the 2018 season. The hype was due to how well they played in last year's playoffs. They were one or two plays away from the Super Bowl. 

Clearly they were a little over hyped, but keep in mind, they were a good team and Bortles was playing well until they lost three OL, including 2 LTs and their RB. 

But I agree, adding Eli to that team would do nothing. He's no longer a difference maker. 

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1 hour ago, BKLYNYG said:

The Jags 2017 regular season results had nothing to do with the hype they received for the 2018 season. The hype was due to how well they played in last year's playoffs. They were one or two plays away from the Super Bowl. 

Clearly they were a little over hyped, but keep in mind, they were a good team and Bortles was playing well until they lost three OL, including 2 LTs and their RB. 

But I agree, adding Eli to that team would do nothing. He's no longer a difference maker. 

It's not about them, it's about us.  The Giants need to find a PC way to tank right now because Oakland has half the picks in next years draft.  If they can get Eli off the roster now that would benefit them greatly.  The money is irrelevant.  Bortles would never receive a dime in NY.  They'd cut him and eat the penalty.  What would happen is the Giants could end up 1-15 which is what we need.  You also have to remember Bortles is on a 3 year contract.  By the time we'd be ready to spend his money would be off the books. 

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8 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Why would the Jags trade for an aging QB who seemingly has nothing left in the tank?

So they can cut him at the end of the year and save the 16 million in cap space, and get out from under neath Bortles contract.  Then they could get D. Carr in a trade.

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6 minutes ago, Happyfoosball said:

So they can cut him at the end of the year and save the 16 million in cap space, and get out from under neath Bortles contract.  Then they could get D. Carr in a trade.

As was said, Eli has a no trade clause. He's not going anywhere. He'll retire at the end of this season and spend his entire career with the Giants.

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Yep, GMs would be lining up around the block to help the Giants out by trading for a QB who has a no trade clause, a monster cap hit, and has less than zero trade value. No one would dare to pass that one up:facepalm:

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20 hours ago, BKLYNYG said:

The Jags 2017 regular season results had nothing to do with the hype they received for the 2018 season. The hype was due to how well they played in last year's playoffs. They were one or two plays away from the Super Bowl. 

Clearly they were a little over hyped, but keep in mind, they were a good team and Bortles was playing well until they lost three OL, including 2 LTs and their RB. 

But I agree, adding Eli to that team would do nothing. He's no longer a difference maker. 

They barely beat one of the worst teams to ever make the playoffs in last years Bills (10-3 at home ?)

  • Denying Nathan Peterman on the last drive  is so impressive. Who else could have stopped such a legend?

They forced some turnovers but let Pittsburgh destroy their defense. (a 28-7 lead turned into a 45-42 game where 1 play different would mean a loss)

They barely lost to a Patriots team that had a bad D. (another big lead blown by chokers, 14-3 early, 20-10 with 14 to play turns into a loss)

 

Sorry, still not impressed. (and also clearly right)

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59 minutes ago, skippyx said:

They barely beat one of the worst teams to ever make the playoffs in last years Bills (10-3 at home ?)

  • Denying Nathan Peterman on the last drive  is so impressive. Who else could have stopped such a legend?

They forced some turnovers but let Pittsburgh destroy their defense. (a 28-7 lead turned into a 45-42 game where 1 play different would mean a loss)

They barely lost to a Patriots team that had a bad D. (another big lead blown by chokers, 14-3 early, 20-10 with 14 to play turns into a loss)

 

Sorry, still not impressed. (and also clearly right)

You’re just not getting it (which is no surprise). It doesn’t matter what the score of the games were. People (media, fans, etc.) remember that they made it to the conference championship, beat Pittsburgh and had the Patriots on the ropes. That’s why there was hype for the Jags going into this season. Do the underlying statistics suggest they were a bit overrated, sure, but that’s not what people remember. Learn to look past the numbers and see the bigger picture. 

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3 hours ago, mike030270 said:

Does Eli think he can still play another year or more?

Does Eli think he can still play THIS year?

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3 hours ago, BKLYNYG said:

You’re just not getting it (which is no surprise). It doesn’t matter what the score of the games were. People (media, fans, etc.) remember that they made it to the conference championship, beat Pittsburgh and had the Patriots on the ropes. That’s why there was hype for the Jags going into this season. Do the underlying statistics suggest they were a bit overrated, sure, but that’s not what people remember. Learn to look past the numbers and see the bigger picture. 

You are still not getting it. I understand WHY there was hype.

I ALSO understood that the hype was misguided.

  • The hype was seeing the smallest picture possible and extrapolating from it. (AFCCG and defensive rankings)
  • I looked past the hype and the numbers to see what the numbers mean.
    • Anyone who bothered saw it clearly
  • Seeing that THE NUMBERS for 16 games were actually 2 sets of numbers is next level analysis.
    • Sack-sonville was actually crap-sonville if you ignored those 5 games.

Clowney took a lot of heat for calling Bortles 'Trash' last year when Bortles beat his team (with Yeldon at QB).

  • Guess what? Clowney knows football better than the Jacksonville Hype Train

 

We can't 100% rule Jacksonville out:

  • Maybe they will get back on track if teams on their schedule trade for and start Kizer,  Brissett,  Savage and Yeldon? 

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On 10/27/2018 at 7:23 AM, Gmen4ever said:

Yep, GMs would be lining up around the block to help the Giants out by trading for a QB who has a no trade clause, a monster cap hit, and has less than zero trade value. No one would dare to pass that one up:facepalm:

Bortles has a bigger cap hit.  If the Jags trade for Eli they can cut him before next season if things don't work out.  If the Giants hold on to him they might win some games.  They are getting closer and that is not what we should want at this point.  But the more games the Jags lose, the less likely it is to happen. 

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4 minutes ago, Happyfoosball said:

Bortles has a bigger cap hit.  If the Jags trade for Eli they can cut him before next season if things don't work out.  If the Giants hold on to him they might win some games.  They are getting closer and that is not what we should want at this point.  But the more games the Jags lose, the less likely it is to happen. 

Eli has a bigger cap hit by $2.2M. If the two players are traded for one another cutting Eli saves $17.5M in 2019. Cutting Bortles saves $4.5M. The only way I would make that trade is if the Jags threw in a very high pick. 

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3 hours ago, Happyfoosball said:

Bortles has a bigger cap hit.  If the Jags trade for Eli they can cut him before next season if things don't work out.  If the Giants hold on to him they might win some games.  They are getting closer and that is not what we should want at this point.  But the more games the Jags lose, the less likely it is to happen. 

But why would they trade one bad QB for another? It makes no sense whatsoever, especially if you're Eli Manning. Why uproot your family for what is definitely going to be a very temporary situation? No one in their right mind is going to do that

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