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Ranking all 52 No. 1 picks of the NFL's common-draft era

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10 hours ago, Havenless said:

And finally, Matt Stafford threw for 5000 yards and 40 touchdowns once. He did not make the pro bowl. Can you think of another example of a qb putting up a statistical season like that and not even making the pro bowl?

 

I can give you  WR equivalents Isaac Bruce and Brett Perriman 1995

  • Bruce had 119 catches for 1781 yards 13 TDs at 15.0 per catch... no pro bowl.
  • Rice, Carter, and Moore had better years and Irvin was close enough and had the reputation.
  • 1995 was an insane year for WRs

Stafford was the 4th best QB in the NFC in 2011.

  • Rodgers and Brees were clearly better.
  • Cam as a rookie threw for 4000+ yards and ran for 750 and 14 TDs.
    • Cam was then and is now a better football player than Stafford
      • Cam is not a top 10 QB right now, but Stafford is worse.

Stafford's QB rating since 2011 is 89.5 averaging just over a pathetic 25 TDs a year.

  • His record is 53-59 since 2011 and 66-75 overall.
  • He only looks good when comparing him to lower passer rating eras.
  • As a modern QB he is a mediocre loser.
  • Andy Dalton has 9 less TDs in 8 less games over those 7 seasons.
  • Dalton has a slightly higher passer rating as well (90.1to 89.4)

Stafford's TE went to Indy last year and Luck hit him for 750 yards and 13 TDs. (Ebron)

The 2014 Lions were ranked 3/2 in defense. Who cares if we can name their starters?

  • The '09 Lions defense was terrible. The '17 Lions D was bad. Every other year they were somewhere around mediocre.

Stafford is just a bad QB who stays healthy enough to accumulate passing yards.

 

'Only 1 time in my career was I even a top 4 NFC QB' is not high praise.

Stafford only 'made the pro bowl' in 2014 as the 8th-11th best NFC in the QB

  • Brees, Romo and Ryan were also in the Pro Bowl
  • Wilson was inelligible because he was in the Super Bowl
  • Rodgers begged out for injury?
  • Eli did as well?
  • Cutler may have been better (higher rating anyway)
  • Palmer and Sanchez had a higher passer rating as part timers.
  • Kaepernick at the start of his free fall into oblivion had a higher rating than Stafford

 

This is fun, thanks for the incentive to research.

 

 

 

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Here's the last 25 years

  • 1995 - Ki-Jana Carter 1 Tony Boselli 2
    • Best players: Derek Brooks 28 Warren Sapp 12 Terrell Davis 196 Curtis Martin 74 Steve McNair 3
  • 1996 - Keyshawn Johnson 1 Kevin Hardy 2
    • Best Players: Ray Lewis 24 Jonathan Ogden 4 Terrell Owens 89 Brian Dawkins 61 Marvin Harrisson 19 Zach Thomas 154
  • 1997 - Orlando Pace 1 Darrell Russell 2
  • Best Players:  Pace 1 Jason Taylor 73 Walter Jones 6 Tony Gonzalez 13
  • 1998 - Peyton Manning 1 Ryan Leaf 2
    • Best Players: Manning 1 Randy Moss 21 Charles Woodson 4 Alan Faneca 26
  • 1999 -  Couch 1  McNabb 2 
    • Best Players: Champ Bailey 7 McNabb 2 Edgerrin James 4 Joey Porter 73
      • Terrible draft year when a highlight is a WCO QB who topped a combined 30 passing/ rushing TDs once in his entire career
        • Topped a 90 rating 3 times in 13 years
        • Had a playoff rating of 80
  • 2000 - Courtney Brown 1 LaVarr Arrington 2
    • Best players: Brady 199 Urlacher 9
  • 2001 - Michael Vick 1  Leonard Davis 2
    • Best Players: Drew Brees 32 LaDanian Tomlinson 5 Reggie Wayne 30 Steve Smith 74
      • Do the Eagles win multiple Super Bowls if they take Wayne instead of Freddie Mitchell?
  • 2002 - David Carr 1 Julius Peppers 2
  • 2003 - Carson Palmer 1 Charles Rogers 2
  • 2004 - Eli Manning 1 Robert Gallery 2
    • Best Players: Roethlisberger 11 Fitzgerald 3 Eli 1 Rivers 4 Jared Allen 126
  • 2005 - Alex Smith 1 Ronnie Brown 2
  • 2006 - Mario Williams 1 Reggie Bush 2
  • 2007 - Jamarcus Russel 1 Calvin Johnson 2
  • 2008 - Jake Long 1 Chris Long 2
  • 2009 - Matthew Stafford 1 Jason Smith 2
    • If Sam Bradford could stay healthy, he would be Matthew Stafford (this is not a compliment to either player)
  • 2010 - Sam Bradford 1 Ndamukong Suh 2
    • Best Players: Gronk 42 Antonio Brown 195 Geno Atkins 120 Earl Thomas 14 Suh 2
    • Injuries have taken a big bite out of a pretty deep draft class
      • Trent Williams (Two 16 game seasons in 9 years)
      • Gronk (one 16 game season in 9 years)
      • JPP had a 1 sack and a 2 sack pair of injury plagued seasons in NY before fireworks and car accidents
      • NaVorro Bowman was a beast at LB until a couple big injuries derailed his career (4 first team all-pros in 5 years)
  • 2011 Cam Newton 1 Von Miller 2
    • Best Players: JJ Watt 11 Miller 2 Julio Jones 6
    • This is another very deep draft class. 5 or 6 guys could easily finish with 100+ sacks.
    • I don't think Cam Newton is an elite QB but he is having a HoF career compiling some truly staggering stats.
      • In his upcoming age 30 season he will likely pass 30k yards passing, 200 passing TDs, 5000 yards rushing, and 60 rushing TDs.
        • 50k passing with 350 TDs and 8k rushing with 100 rushing TDs is not out of the question 
  • 2012 Andrew Luck 1 Robert Griffing III  2
    • Round 3 picks Wilson and Foles have won Super Bowls
    • Best players? Wilson 75 Wagner 47 Cox 12 Kuechly 9 
  • 2013 Erik Fisher 1 Luke Joekel 2
    • This is a major reason why the Eagles won a Super Bowl (Lane Johnson still there at 4)
  • 2014 Jadeveon Clowney 1 Greg Robinson 2
    • Best player - Aaron Donald at 13
  • 2015 Jameis Winston 1 Marcus Mariota 2
    • Its insane that these guys are getting franchise tag money as year 5 options.
  • 2016  Jared Goff 1 Carson Wentz 2
    • Both QBs have shown a lot but have big question marks (injuries for Wentz and choking like a dog for Goff)
  • 2017 Myles Garrett 1 Mitchell Trubisky 2
    • Best Players (so far) Pat Mahomes 10 Deshaun Watson 12  Kamara 67 Garrett 1
  • 2018 Baker Mayfield 1 Saquon Barkley 2
  • 2019 Kyler Murray 1 Nick Bosa 2

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