black monday Black Monday: Who's on the Hot Seat in 2019? Who gets fired?

[EagleJoe8 14,321]

3 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

It may depend on how much the players hold Flores responsible for their condition. If they mostly blame the F.O. rather than head coach he may be okay with the players. Of course there may have to be a scape goat ..............

Yeah, I definitely think Flores may not be behind the possible tanking. As for a scapegoat, I would hope that's not needed as I don't think a coach should be on a hot seat after 1 season.

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2 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Exactly. See?

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Rivera

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I'll put a bid in for Jay Gruden 

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Does Gruden make it through the season?

[EagleJoe8 14,321]

16 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Does Gruden make it through the season?

Which one?

[dawkins4prez 6,486]

Mike Zimmer. Yeah he's 2-1.  But the SB game plan is to give Dalvin Cook, the 2nd yr guy coming off major injury, 350+ touches this year while the passing game withers and dies in what looks like an offense from the 1990's.  No chance in hell that blows up by midseason, eh?

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9 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Which one?

The one that doesn't have a 10 year contract (I purposefully didn't mention a first name to see if someone would ask that question lol).

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25 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

The one that doesn't have a 10 year contract (I purposefully didn't mention a first name to see if someone would ask that question lol).

Awesome! What do I win???

 

 

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12 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Awesome! What do I win???

 

 

A picture from Super Bowl LII!

 

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6 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

Mike Zimmer. Yeah he's 2-1.  But the SB game plan is to give Dalvin Cook, the 2nd yr guy coming off major injury, 350+ touches this year while the passing game withers and dies in what looks like an offense from the 1990's.  No chance in hell that blows up by midseason, eh?

3rd year guy and his major injury was the first year. Either way he got banged up a lot last year too

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Jags Coach and Skins Coach are fired

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Jay Gruden and the Redskins are strangely optimistic despite 0-3 start

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/09/27/jay-gruden-redskins-are-strangely-optimistic-despite-start/

With his team stuck in a winless morass and his job in jeopardy, Redskins Coach Jay Gruden went to space.

"I’ve seen a guy walk on the moon, for God’s sakes,” he said in a quiet moment after a recent practice. "Surely an 0-3 team can come back from the depths of 0-3 and put on a nine-, 10-game streak and win 10 of their last 13 games. It’s not that big of a deal, right?”

Gruden laughed, but he wasn’t really laughing.

His Redskins have allowed at least 31 points each week as they have lost their first three games. Two people with knowledge of the situation say Gruden could be fired if Washington doesn’t beat the New York Giants on Sunday. Earlier this week, the betting site Bovada.com updated its odds on the NFL coach likeliest to be fired first this year, making Gruden its top choice.

Many national commentators are calling for Gruden to give up on the season and start his rookie quarterback Dwayne Haskins, and have plenty of ammunition for their arguments. Trent Williams, the team’s seven-time Pro Bowl left tackle is holding out. Jordan Reed, the top playmaking tight end, has a concussion and no one knows when he might return. Injured running back Derrius Guice isn’t expected to return for at least another six games, and receiver Terry McLaurin, the team’s best offensive threat, has a sore hamstring. The defense that was supposed to be the Redskins’ strength is last or close-to-last in the NFL in most significant categories.

[Perspective: At 0-3, it's time to ask what this Redskins season is about]

Maybe it seems misguided, but in this dire predicament there burns a strange optimism at the Redskins facility. Most around the team are stunned by their slow start. Yes, they knew they were playing three of the league’s better teams the first three weeks of the season, yet they see hope in the way they led the Eagles, 20-7, in their opening game and fought back in the second half against Chicago. Several Redskins have used the word "excited” to describe their feelings.

Even Gruden, who has been uncharacteristically uptight in recent weeks, has seemed more at ease this past week, chuckling at news conferences and cracking jokes.

"It’s the first quarter of the season, man,” cornerback Josh Norman said. "I mean, shoot, if they said you win trophies in September we’d be in trouble. But trophies not won at this time. Trophies are won in December-January.”

And while Norman, who has played in a Super Bowl, might have temporarily forgotten that biggest trophy is actually presented on the first Sunday in February, his point resonated around the locker room, where most players seem to view the season’s dreadful start the same way.

When Norman was reminded about how much he believed before the season in a defense that is now allowing an average of 402 yards a game, he glared at his questioner.

"Yeah. So what, you think that’s changed?” he replied.

Mostly, the Redskins say they are a just couple of plays away from saving the season.

"We’ve just got to make sure that we just continue to focus on what we’re supposed to do out on the practice field, in the meetings and we’ll be good,” embattled defensive coordinator Greg Manusky said.

Former Pro Bowl linebacker Chris Spielman, who will broadcast Sunday’s Redskins-Giants game for Fox, has a theory about football teams. It’s one he says is not talked about enough publicly and yet something players and coaches know well. Confidence matters in a locker room. If a few things go wrong, like a few key players get hurt or opposing teams break some big plays, the feeling of frustration will spill down through the team.

That feeling of frustration sticks until a break comes along, maybe a sack or an interception or an opponent’s penalty, and suddenly the losing will stop.

"They need to have a couple of things happen for them,” Spielman said in a telephone interview.

Then he stopped.

"But you can’t have the breakdowns,” he said.

[Perspective: The Redskins defense was supposed to be a strength. It's not.]

Like many in the Redskins locker room and around the league, Spielman sees nothing structurally wrong with Washington’s defense. He believes there is talent. The thing that jumps out at him when he watches the tape are so many little things — miscommunication between a safety and a cornerback that leads to a big touchdown pass, an offsides penalty that negates a big defensive play, a 15-yard pass play against a zone defense that should have only allowed five or six yards.

All little things. All fixable things.

All offseason, Gruden had an idea for how this season was going to go down.

"The identity I thought we were going to have was the recipe that we had last year at the beginning of the year,” he said. "We ran the ball and controlled the clock and won close games, 20-17.”

It was a formula that worked particularly well because the quarterback, Alex Smith, was adept at leading the offense to early touchdowns or field goals and moving the ball enough to let the defense win a field position battle. Running back Adrian Peterson would run out the game in the second half.

Then Smith went down with a broken leg that is almost certainly career-ending and Williams started his holdout in the spring, leaving the Redskins with a new quarterback and a hastily rebuilt left side of the offensive line. The defense hasn’t been nearly as resilient and Gruden’s plan has crumbled in each of the season’s first three weeks.

"Moving forward, we’ve got to get back to that way of playing football,” he said.

But is that possible? This is a team that has allowed 32, 31 and 31 points in each of its games. It has yet to establish a running game. Case Keenum, the team’s fifth quarterback in its last nine games, is sixth in the league with 933 passing yards, but he had five turnovers against the Bears on Monday night and could have had more.

“”Oh yeah it can work … if the defense is playing good,” Gruden said.

He started to walk through the Chicago game in his mind. The defense stopped the Bears on their first drive but then Keenum threw a pass that former Redskins defensive back Ha Ha Clinton-Dix intercepted and ran back for a touchdown. The Redskins were down, 7-0, and then came a fumble and a missed field goal and more Chicago touchdowns, and suddenly it was 28-0.

"And everybody’s in a tailspin frenzy,” Gruden said.

What encourages Gruden is the way the team didn’t give up in the second half against Chicago. He likes the way his defensive players seemed to play harder at just a time when they should feel like quitting. He likes that the offense scrapped its way back into the game against one of the league’s best defenses.

Gruden points out that the Redskins were on the Bears’ 16 with 7:00 left in the game and had a chance to cut the Chicago lead to just six points, when Keenum tried to dive over the top of the offensive line on a quarterback sneak on fourth-and-1, only to have the ball knocked from his hands. Gruden shakes his head at the memory. He has no idea why Keenum tried to jump on a play where the quarterback was supposed to push forward and hopefully fall ahead one yard. But he can’t hate the play, either. It showed Keenum was trying to fight no matter how poorly things turned out.

"I think we’ve done a pretty good job of getting people in this building who can handle adversity,” he said. "That’s a part of what why you draft who you draft and who you go after in free agency because when you have a quarterback shuffle you aren’t going to be 16-0 every year and you’re going to have some adversity throughout the course of the season.

"And we knew and I knew that was going to happen and want the right types of guys in this locker room who can help carry you through this.”

Then Gruden stood up. He shrugged.

"I still feel there is so much football to be played,” he said. "I’ve seen teams start out 3-0 and finish 5-11.”

He is sure the big turnaround is around the corner.

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Does Gruden make it to week 5 as the Redskins coach?

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1 hour ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Does Gruden make it to week 5 as the Redskins coach?

You have to wonder if they'll give him time now that he has Haskins in.

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4 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

You have to wonder if they'll give him time now that he has Haskins in.

It was somewhere around October when the Browns fired Jackson last year. Of course, each team is different and each owner does their own thing. So anything could happen.

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2 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

It was somewhere around October when the Browns fired Jackson last year. Of course, each team is different and each owner does their own thing. So anything could happen.

Yeah, it definitely wouldn't shock me.

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I think Skins will be pressing the reset button soon

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3 hours ago, mike030270 said:

I think Skins will be pressing the reset button soon

It's amazing that Jay Gruden has gone this long

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Will they give Denver HC another year? Not a good start

Elway is likely gone

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8 hours ago, mike030270 said:

I think Skins will be pressing the reset button soon

Reset what? Dan Snyder is still there 

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4 hours ago, pisceschica said:

Reset what? Dan Snyder is still there 

He ought to start with himself, but I’m glad he won’t. 

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10 hours ago, ShakeThatMonkey said:

It's amazing that Jay Gruden has gone this long

Let's hope he goes on a lot longer too! 😁

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Jay Gruden: If the key works Monday, I’ll keep working

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The Redskins fell to 0-5 in a lopsided loss to the Patriots on Sunday and that means more questions about how long head coach Jay Gruden will keep his job.

There was a report before their Week Four loss that Gruden might be fired soon and Sunday’s outing did little to make anyone feel better about the direction of the franchise. Speculation that a change is coming soon will be helped along by video shared by Mitchell Tischler of NBC Sports Washington that shows team owner Daniel Snyder and president Bruce Allen leaving the stadium in an unusual hurry on Sunday.

Gruden said at a postgame press conference that he feels he’s been given "ample opportunities” to succeed, but the team hasn’t produced on Sundays. He said he hasn’t heard anything about whether he’ll be fired.

"If the key works Monday, I’ll keep working,” Gruden said.

That’s a variation on what Ben McAdoo said shortly before the Giants relieved him of his duties in 2017. We’ll find out soon enough if Gruden will suffer the same fate.

Until then, it’s time to smoke ’em if you got ’em.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/10/06/jay-gruden-if-the-key-works-monday-ill-keep-working/