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Contracts aren't (as much) about what you've done. It's more about what you're projected to do going forward. The Eagles were smart in signing Wentz now because it will be a bargain in 2 seasons from today. Dallas knows Dak isn't the straw that stirs the drink on that team and that's why they don't want to pay him that kind of money. They may not keep Zeke long term and they have seen Dak's work without him. That may all tie in together.

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23 hours ago, gch said:

Of course Eagle would pay Wentz but 4th highest player in the league?

The Eagles were smart in doing it the way they did (and when they did). Wait a year, and they pay even more. Do it before Prescott and before Goff, and force those teams to at least match, if not exceed the amount.

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On 7/25/2019 at 9:53 PM, gch said:

Of course Eagle would pay Wentz but 4th highest player in the league?

Yeah. This year he is when they had the space. Next year he will be further down that list. The year after even further, if he manages to stay healthy (yes health will be a question mark for quite a while) he will probably be considered a bargain. Howie's handling of this was flawless IMO.

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On ‎7‎/‎25‎/‎2019 at 9:53 PM, gch said:

Of course Eagle would pay Wentz but 4th highest player in the league?

Below is the list of highest paid players, with only the QB's listed (the number in front of their name is where they rank on the list). Setting aside any rivalry bias where (on the below list)would you put a 2019 Carson Wentz contract if you were the GM in charge of giving him a new contract?

You have to do it with the understanding that while he did get hurt in 2017 and didn't actually play in the post-season, his 11-2 regular season record was 99.9% responsible for getting HFA throughout the playoffs and that was KEY in getting to the Super Bowl. You also have to take into account that he was essentially the MVP of the 2017 season and should have gotten the award, just as Doug should have been coach of the year.

After placing Wentz's contract (as a GM and not as a rival fan) where you think it should be, you then become the GM in charge of Dak's new contract. Where do you (as a GM and not as a Cowboys fan) put him on that list?

Remember, this list isn't really about ranking QB's by which one is better than the other, this isn't the NFL "top 100" list. This is about 'Franchise QB' contracts, where lesser experienced/accomplished QB's, can and likely will get higher paying contracts than more experienced/accomplished QB's.

Also remember, as @EagleJoe8 said, a contract that's very high on the list today will drop down the list as other 'franchise QB's' get their new contracts in the days/weeks/months/years to come. So being #4 on the list today, is really meaningless. New contracts will push that QB down the list in the very near future.

Here's the list (I got this from https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-highest-paid-players-2019/s2560yib2yvwzjdlsfy10ox2 if anyone wants to see the full list of top 25 players):

1. Russell Wilson, QB, Seahawks

Average annual salary: $35 million
 Guaranteed: $107 million

2. Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Steelers

Average annual salary: $34 million
 Guaranteed: $37.5 million

3. Aaron Rodgers, QB, Packers

Average annual salary: $33.5 million
 Guaranteed: $103 million

4. Carson Wentz, QB, Eagles

Average annual salary: $32 million
 Guaranteed: $107 million

5. Matt Ryan, QB, Falcons

Average annual salary: $30 million
 Guaranteed: $100 million

6. Kirk Cousins, QB, Vikings

Average annual salary: $28 million
 Guaranteed: $84 million

7. Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, 49ers

Average annual salary: $27.5 million
 Guaranteed: $48.7 million

8. Matthew Stafford, QB, Lions

Average annual salary: $27 million
 Guaranteed: $60.5 million

9. Derek Carr, QB, Raiders

Average annual salary: $25 million
 Guaranteed: $40 million

10. Drew Brees, QB, Saints

Average annual salary: $25 million
 Guaranteed: $27 million

11. Andrew Luck, QB, Colts

Average annual salary: $24.594 million
 Guaranteed: $47 million

13. Alex Smith, QB, Redskins

Average annual salary: $23.5 million
 Guaranteed: $55 million

15. Joe Flacco, QB, Broncos

Average annual salary: $22.13 million
 Guaranteed: $44 million

16. Nick Foles, QB. Jaguars

Average annual salary: $22 million
 Guaranteed: $50.125 million

18. Eli Manning, QB, Giants

Average annual salary: $21 million
 Guaranteed: $36.5 million

19. Philip Rivers, QB, Chargers

Average annual salary: $20.813 million
 Guaranteed: $37.5 million

21. Cam Newton, QB, Panthers

Average annual salary: $20.76 million
 Guaranteed: $41 million

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15 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Below is the list of highest paid players, with only the QB's listed (the number in front of their name is where they rank on the list). Setting aside any rivalry bias where (on the below list)would you put a 2019 Carson Wentz contract if you were the GM in charge of giving him a new contract?

You have to do it with the understanding that while he did get hurt in 2017 and didn't actually play in the post-season, his 11-2 regular season record was 99.9% responsible for getting HFA throughout the playoffs and that was KEY in getting to the Super Bowl. You also have to take into account that he was essentially the MVP of the 2017 season and should have gotten the award, just as Doug should have been coach of the year.

After placing Wentz's contract (as a GM and not as a rival fan) where you think it should be, you then become the GM in charge of Dak's new contract. Where do you (as a GM and not as a Cowboys fan) put him on that list?

Remember, this list isn't really about ranking QB's by which one is better than the other, this isn't the NFL "top 100" list. This is about 'Franchise QB' contracts, where lesser experienced/accomplished QB's, can and likely will get higher paying contracts than more experienced/accomplished QB's.

Also remember, as @EagleJoe8 said, a contract that's very high on the list today will drop down the list as other 'franchise QB's' get their new contracts in the days/weeks/months/years to come. So being #4 on the list today, is really meaningless. New contracts will push that QB down the list in the very near future.

Here's the list (I got this from https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-highest-paid-players-2019/s2560yib2yvwzjdlsfy10ox2 if anyone wants to see the full list of top 25 players):

1. Russell Wilson, QB, Seahawks

Average annual salary: $35 million
 Guaranteed: $107 million

2. Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Steelers

Average annual salary: $34 million
 Guaranteed: $37.5 million

3. Aaron Rodgers, QB, Packers

Average annual salary: $33.5 million
 Guaranteed: $103 million

4. Carson Wentz, QB, Eagles

Average annual salary: $32 million
 Guaranteed: $107 million

5. Matt Ryan, QB, Falcons

Average annual salary: $30 million
 Guaranteed: $100 million

6. Kirk Cousins, QB, Vikings

Average annual salary: $28 million
 Guaranteed: $84 million

7. Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, 49ers

Average annual salary: $27.5 million
 Guaranteed: $48.7 million

8. Matthew Stafford, QB, Lions

Average annual salary: $27 million
 Guaranteed: $60.5 million

9. Derek Carr, QB, Raiders

Average annual salary: $25 million
 Guaranteed: $40 million

10. Drew Brees, QB, Saints

Average annual salary: $25 million
 Guaranteed: $27 million

11. Andrew Luck, QB, Colts

Average annual salary: $24.594 million
 Guaranteed: $47 million

13. Alex Smith, QB, Redskins

Average annual salary: $23.5 million
 Guaranteed: $55 million

15. Joe Flacco, QB, Broncos

Average annual salary: $22.13 million
 Guaranteed: $44 million

16. Nick Foles, QB. Jaguars

Average annual salary: $22 million
 Guaranteed: $50.125 million

18. Eli Manning, QB, Giants

Average annual salary: $21 million
 Guaranteed: $36.5 million

19. Philip Rivers, QB, Chargers

Average annual salary: $20.813 million
 Guaranteed: $37.5 million

21. Cam Newton, QB, Panthers

Average annual salary: $20.76 million
 Guaranteed: $41 million

It's funny. A lot of the guys just below Wentz, Jimmy G, Cousins, Carr, Stafford, etc...these guys seem ok with those deals. But an Eagle who has some actual accomplishments and looks like he can really lead a team to REAL success, he is overpaid.

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On 7/25/2019 at 1:16 PM, boogyman said:

What was the other option, not pay him?

I'm not saying he isn't worth the money.

IMO, since they picked up the 5th yr option they had this season to see if he could make it through an entire season, before having to make that kind of decision and offer. 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, back2nj said:

I'm not saying he isn't worth the money.

IMO, since they picked up the 5th yr option they had this season to see if he could make it through an entire season, before having to make that kind of decision and offer. 

 

 

And if he did pay him a lot more?

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1 minute ago, boogyman said:

And if he did pay him a lot more?

If he made it through the season and played well, then whatever they choose to pay him he will have earned.

So far imo, he has not come close to earning that extention. But apparently you and many others disagree. That's fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

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5 minutes ago, back2nj said:

If he made it through the season and played well, then whatever they choose to pay him he will have earned.

So far imo, he has not come close to earning that extention. But apparently you and many others disagree. That's fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I understand your point of view. If Carson was not so talented I would lean to your opinion. But every move is  a roll of the dice. I will always bet on high end talent.

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18 minutes ago, back2nj said:

If he made it through the season and played well, then whatever they choose to pay him he will have earned.

So far imo, he has not come close to earning that extention. But apparently you and many others disagree. That's fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Contracts aren't really about what's already been 'earned' (on the field). How a QB has played in the past (or any other position, but we're talking QB's), plays a part in it but it's more about future potential than it is about the past.

Know who the top 5 were in August of 2017?

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https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/25/how-much-highest-paid-nfl-players-make.html

1. Derek Carr

Team: Oakland Raiders
Average annual salary 2017-2018: $25,000,000
Base salary in 2014: $420,000

2. Andrew Luck

Team: Indianapolis Colts
 Average annual salary 2017-2018: $24,594,000
 Base salary in 2012: $390,000

3. Carson Palmer

Team: Arizona Cardinals
 Average annual salary 2017-2018: $24,350,000
 Base salary in 2003: $1,070,000

4. Drew Brees

Team: New Orleans Saints
 Average annual salary 2017-2018: $24,250,000
 Base salary in 2001: $320,000

5. Kirk Cousins

Team: Washington Redskins
 Average annual salary 2017-2018: $23,943,600
 Base salary in 2012: $390,000

Let's say that in 2019, Carson plays 100% of the snaps. The Eagles get to the post-season and win games. The cost of his new contract would have just gone up. Let's say they win LIV. The cost of the contract likely just rose to #1 on the list.

Would you prefer his current contract, or the hypothetical 'earned' contract after winning in the playoffs and/or LIV? For me, I'm glad they got it done now. It drives the price up on rival QBs and potentially gives us a great 'discount'.

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I don't know why anyone even cares about how much a QB gets paid eventually they end up down at the bottom. Lots of people lost their minds when Stafford was the highest paid QB and now he is 8th

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13 minutes ago, bwestbrook36 said:

I don't know why anyone even cares about how much a QB gets paid eventually they end up down at the bottom. Lots of people lost their minds when Stafford was the highest paid QB and now he is 8th

CarrbageTime shot his load all over his monitor when Carr was #1:

On ‎4‎/‎3‎/‎2017 at 7:38 PM, rstarter said:

Three years after he was drafted, and he's about to break the bank with his next contract. If I had to put my prediction on Carr on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being damn near prophetic, I'd put it at a....

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 Just two years later, he's now 9th on the list.

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2 hours ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

CarrbageTime shot his load all over his monitor when Carr was #1:

 Just two years later, he's now 9th on the list.

And he’s a JAG who was rumored to possibly be traded. 

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On 7/25/2019 at 8:53 PM, gch said:

Of course Eagle would pay Wentz but 4th highest player in the league?

He'll slide down the list and will seem like a bargain after Goff, Dak, and Mahomes get their deals 

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1 hour ago, heavywchamp said:

He'll slide down the list and will seem like a bargain after Goff, Dak, and Mahomes get their deals 

That Mahomes deal is going to make people pass out. Cant imagine how astronomical it's going to be.

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HA HA ... too funny ...Cowboys 

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3 hours ago, SBorBust said:

The Cowboys window is going to close before it opens. This is great.

How do you figure window closing?thry are one of the youngest teams in the league. Are you referring to salary cap? They won’t sign Collins and some defensive players but that’s why they are drafting OL the last two years. Remember they are one of the best teams in the draft. That’s why they are faced with young talent salaries. 

Look in the 100 player list so far. They have both LB’s and 2 OL as well as Cooper in the 100-50 range. Funny with Philly being such a loaded team I don’t see many in that list. Peters was there but he’s top 3 tackle for many years now. Wentz took a big slide from last year?  I’m guessing injury?

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31 minutes ago, gch said:

How do you figure window closing?thry are one of the youngest teams in the league. Are you referring to salary cap? They won’t sign Collins and some defensive players but that’s why they are drafting OL the last two years. Remember they are one of the best teams in the draft. That’s why they are faced with young talent salaries. 

Look in the 100 player list so far. They have both LB’s and 2 OL as well as Cooper in the 100-50 range. Funny with Philly being such a loaded team I don’t see many in that list. Peters was there but he’s top 3 tackle for many years now. Wentz took a big slide from last year?  I’m guessing injury?

Lol top 100 list. You had twice as many guys on that list in 2017. Those lists mean nothing as far as winning goes.

 

Top heavy roster as usual.

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14 hours ago, gch said:

How do you figure window closing?thry are one of the youngest teams in the league. Are you referring to salary cap? They won’t sign Collins and some defensive players but that’s why they are drafting OL the last two years. Remember they are one of the best teams in the draft. That’s why they are faced with young talent salaries. 

Look in the 100 player list so far. They have both LB’s and 2 OL as well as Cooper in the 100-50 range. Funny with Philly being such a loaded team I don’t see many in that list. Peters was there but he’s top 3 tackle for many years now. Wentz took a big slide from last year?  I’m guessing injury?

The Cowboys' best player is a running back, with lots of wear and tear on his body, who wants record-setting money. The offensive line is starting to slide and they have no QB... Oh, yeah. The "no QB" wants $30 million per year.

The window is closing.

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20 hours ago, gch said:

How do you figure window closing?thry are one of the youngest teams in the league. Are you referring to salary cap? They won’t sign Collins and some defensive players but that’s why they are drafting OL the last two years. Remember they are one of the best teams in the draft. That’s why they are faced with young talent salaries. 

Look in the 100 player list so far. They have both LB’s and 2 OL as well as Cooper in the 100-50 range. Funny with Philly being such a loaded team I don’t see many in that list. Peters was there but he’s top 3 tackle for many years now. Wentz took a big slide from last year?  I’m guessing injury?

Pokes are young and loaded.  i don't think Zeke will actually pull through with a regular season hold out until next year.

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6 hours ago, SBorBust said:

The Cowboys' best player is a running back, with lots of wear and tear on his body, who wants record-setting money. The offensive line is starting to slide and they have no QB... Oh, yeah. The "no QB" wants $30 million per year.

The window is closing.

O-Line has one and only weakness: lack of outside pass blocking depth.  They have like 5 guys that can play G at a pro bowl level but the only true edge blocker on the roster is Tyron Smith.  he goes down they are screwed.  Zeke's got like 5-6 years of tread left on him, those triplets will be haunting us for a while if they can sign them.

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On 7/27/2019 at 2:29 PM, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Below is the list of highest paid players, with only the QB's listed (the number in front of their name is where they rank on the list). Setting aside any rivalry bias where (on the below list)would you put a 2019 Carson Wentz contract if you were the GM in charge of giving him a new contract?

You have to do it with the understanding that while he did get hurt in 2017 and didn't actually play in the post-season, his 11-2 regular season record was 99.9% responsible for getting HFA throughout the playoffs and that was KEY in getting to the Super Bowl. You also have to take into account that he was essentially the MVP of the 2017 season and should have gotten the award, just as Doug should have been coach of the year.

After placing Wentz's contract (as a GM and not as a rival fan) where you think it should be, you then become the GM in charge of Dak's new contract. Where do you (as a GM and not as a Cowboys fan) put him on that list?

Remember, this list isn't really about ranking QB's by which one is better than the other, this isn't the NFL "top 100" list. This is about 'Franchise QB' contracts, where lesser experienced/accomplished QB's, can and likely will get higher paying contracts than more experienced/accomplished QB's.

Also remember, as @EagleJoe8 said, a contract that's very high on the list today will drop down the list as other 'franchise QB's' get their new contracts in the days/weeks/months/years to come. So being #4 on the list today, is really meaningless. New contracts will push that QB down the list in the very near future.

Here's the list (I got this from https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-highest-paid-players-2019/s2560yib2yvwzjdlsfy10ox2 if anyone wants to see the full list of top 25 players):

1. Russell Wilson, QB, Seahawks

Average annual salary: $35 million
 Guaranteed: $107 million

2. Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Steelers

Average annual salary: $34 million
 Guaranteed: $37.5 million

3. Aaron Rodgers, QB, Packers

Average annual salary: $33.5 million
 Guaranteed: $103 million

4. Carson Wentz, QB, Eagles

Average annual salary: $32 million
 Guaranteed: $107 million

5. Matt Ryan, QB, Falcons

Average annual salary: $30 million
 Guaranteed: $100 million

6. Kirk Cousins, QB, Vikings

Average annual salary: $28 million
 Guaranteed: $84 million

7. Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, 49ers

Average annual salary: $27.5 million
 Guaranteed: $48.7 million

8. Matthew Stafford, QB, Lions

Average annual salary: $27 million
 Guaranteed: $60.5 million

9. Derek Carr, QB, Raiders

Average annual salary: $25 million
 Guaranteed: $40 million

10. Drew Brees, QB, Saints

Average annual salary: $25 million
 Guaranteed: $27 million

11. Andrew Luck, QB, Colts

Average annual salary: $24.594 million
 Guaranteed: $47 million

13. Alex Smith, QB, Redskins

Average annual salary: $23.5 million
 Guaranteed: $55 million

15. Joe Flacco, QB, Broncos

Average annual salary: $22.13 million
 Guaranteed: $44 million

16. Nick Foles, QB. Jaguars

Average annual salary: $22 million
 Guaranteed: $50.125 million

18. Eli Manning, QB, Giants

Average annual salary: $21 million
 Guaranteed: $36.5 million

19. Philip Rivers, QB, Chargers

Average annual salary: $20.813 million
 Guaranteed: $37.5 million

21. Cam Newton, QB, Panthers

Average annual salary: $20.76 million
 Guaranteed: $41 million

 

 

That is insane that Brady isn't even on the list.

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5 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

 

 

That is insane that Brady isn't even on the list.

They don't include 'under the table' salary.

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43 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

Pokes are young and loaded.  i don't think Zeke will actually pull through with a regular season hold out until next year.

How does holding out of camp (in about a week losing a year of service) and then showing up help him at all? I bet the Cowboys hope he does that. 

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