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Over rated Head Coaches ?

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On 7/2/2019 at 12:24 PM, Eagles9193 said:

Shannahan is over rated because of Tecmo Super Bowl ? 

You're a mad man 

Ignore all of the other parts of his entire career, the fact that he was happily paid his entire salary to stay home despite the Redskins being in turmoil, the fact that he hasnt been hired by another team in the pros or in college for the past 5 years, everything listed in my comment, the way he mishandled RGIII after he produced the greatest statistical season a rookie QB has ever achieved, and purely focus in the joke part about the techmo bowl. 

After Elway and TD left the Broncos he won only one single playoff game for the rest of his career. 

The NFCW was notoriously weak during his entire tenure with the Broncos throughout the 2000's and he was aswildly mediocre as Jeff Fischer. 

If he isn't over rated, then what makes him special? 

Riding the coat tails of the greatest wide receiver and unanimous greatest player in NFL history in Jerry Rice?

Riding the coat tails of 2 of the greatest QBs IN NFL history in Young (who has his best stat season  and one of the best superbowl passing performances ever, with Kubiak as QB coach) and Elway(3 Superbowl appearances before Shany arrival) ? 

Riding the coat tails of 2 of the most dominant  season performances by a running back in NFL history in Terrell Davis? (guess who was calling the lines blocking scheme? Kubiak) 

Riding the coat tails of one of the most under rated coaches in history in Kubiak? (whose scheme has created 1000 yd running backs wherever he personally takes it and whoever runs in it, 5+ different RBs in Denver, one in Houston, one in Baltimore)won a Superbowl as head coach without Shany

Riding the coat tails of one of the most talented and greatest TE in NFL history in Sharpe (also won a Superbowl in Baltimore) ? 

All of these guys did just fine before and after life with Shannahan yet he can't do anything without them. 

McNabb did just fine before him

Hell even Jake Plummer won a single playoff game with Arizona, just as many as he won in Denver with Shanny

Jay Cutler had more playoff success without him than with him

 

His winning percentage with Denver and Washington are.616 and.395

Steve Mariuchi with San Fran and Detroit are . 594 and . 349

You only see the rings

 

 

 

 

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On 7/1/2019 at 4:28 PM, VaBeach_Eagle said:

When I think of Switzer, I think of 4th & 1

 

That was 5th and 1.

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Mike Tomlin,

Mike Ditka and whomever was the head coach of the Peyton Manning quarterbacked team.

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On 7/11/2019 at 10:04 PM, Runtherock said:

Look at Switzer’s coaching record, college and pro, its amazing. The guy gets way too much flak.

Who cares about college 

and he inherited everything in the pros 

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Don Mcafferty - Colts coach in the Super Bowl winning year of 1970, when they beat Dallas in SB V. Basically took over a Colts team that was pretty much the same one that lost SB III.

George Seifert - Niners coach that won SB SB 24 vs Denver (with Bill Walsh's team) 29 vs San Diego, later was a disaster in Carolina. Good defensive Coordinator though. Might argue that I'm being a little harsh here.

Barry Switzer - Took Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys to one more SB win in SB 30, but that team won mainly on the talent left over from Johnson's drafts.

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19 minutes ago, rocketman44 said:

Don Mcafferty -

Tough one. Yeah, the Colts should have won SB3, but they actually won with McCafferty as HC in SB5. He was the OC on the SB3 team. But they say Unitas did a lot of coaching from the field, he called all the plays in the huddle, they did not signal plays from the sideline back then. Later, McCafferty was famously fired for refusing to listen to the owner to bench Unitas. He went to the Lions, coached one mediocre season, then dropped dead of a heart attack. Hard to tell what McCafferty was as head coach. Was he an important part of the Colts dynasty with Shula and Unitas, et al.? Or did he ride their coattails?

Switzer is the obvious one.

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Should Jimmy Johnson be under consideration here? I know that he won two Super Bowls, but had it not been for the Vikings being in existence, that very likely never happens.

If you take his career and subtract the 4 seasons in Dallas after the Walker trade, he's 37-43 (.463).

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43 minutes ago, toolg said:

Tough one. Yeah, the Colts should have won SB3, but they actually won with McCafferty as HC in SB5. He was the OC on the SB3 team. But they say Unitas did a lot of coaching from the field, he called all the plays in the huddle, they did not signal plays from the sideline back then. Later, McCafferty was famously fired for refusing to listen to the owner to bench Unitas. He went to the Lions, coached one mediocre season, then dropped dead of a heart attack. Hard to tell what McCafferty was as head coach. Was he an important part of the Colts dynasty with Shula and Unitas, et al.? Or did he ride their coattails?

Switzer is the obvious one.

Yeah, I'm not sure if I'm being too tough on him. In reality, the thread calls for coaches that are "Overrated" and McCafferty isn't well known and probably not even overrated.

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On ‎7‎/‎13‎/‎2019 at 8:50 PM, Eagles9193 said:

Who cares about college 

and he inherited everything in the pros 

During the NFLN A Football Life feature on Troy Aikman, I think Aikman might have been accurate when he said that Switzer didn't have the same drive as he did in college. He was an older man by the time he was hired in Dallas, and it was left up to the vets such as Aikman to reign the team in. He may be the number one example of an overrated (Pro) coach who won a Super Bowl.

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43 minutes ago, rocketman44 said:

Yeah, I'm not sure if I'm being too tough on him. In reality, the thread calls for coaches that are "Overrated" and McCafferty isn't well known and probably not even overrated.

That’s the reason I don’t list Switzer. He’s not unknown per se, but I don’t ever hear people sing his praises either as a pro coach. 

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Switzer resigned from OU in scandal, players were getting in trouble and the program was placed on NCAA probation. He was downright washed up before he surfaced again with the Cowboys.

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5 hours ago, rocketman44 said:

Don Mcafferty - Colts coach in the Super Bowl winning year of 1970, when they beat Dallas in SB V. Basically took over a Colts team that was pretty much the same one that lost SB III.

George Seifert - Niners coach that won SB SB 24 vs Denver (with Bill Walsh's team) 29 vs San Diego, later was a disaster in Carolina. Good defensive Coordinator though. Might argue that I'm being a little harsh here.

Barry Switzer - Took Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys to one more SB win in SB 30, but that team won mainly on the talent left over from Johnson's drafts.

I don't think anyone ever looked at Seifert as a top notch coach. 

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