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Dak reportedly turns down $30 million a year, wants $40 million

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The problem is Zeke.  Dak will get paid because QBs, even merely above average ones, get paid. Cooper will get paid because good to great WR get paid. The problem is paying a RB big money. It's just not a smart decision cap-wise.

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A Cowboys fan on their message board mentions this: "Watching Rush and White play supplied him with some leverage."

They could/ could have gotten someone like Fitzpatrick or Keenum  or even draft one low to gain some leverage on Dak. Even then, what teams are going to want Dak?

NFC: Eagles No way (Wentz). Giants- Probably not (E. Manning and D. Jones). Redskins- No (Haskins). NFC North- No (Rodgers, Stafford, Cousins, and Trubisky). Seahawks, 49ers, and Cardinals- No (Wilson, Garopollo, and Murray). Rams- Probably not (Goff). Falcons and Panthers- No (Ryan and Newton). Saints and Buccaneers. Maybe (Brees and Winston).

AFC: Patriots, Jets, and Bills- No (Brady [and they don't really overpay], Darnold, and Allen). Dolphins. Maybe not (Rosen). Colts- Probably not (Luck). Texans- No (Watson). Jaguars- No (Foles). Titans- Probably/maybe not (Mariots and Tannehill).  Steelers, Ravens, and Browns- No (Ben R. & Rudolph, L. Jackson, and Mayfield). Bengals- Maybe/maybe not (Dalton. Owner doesn't really like paying for FAs Maybe they go to draft for one). Chiefs- No way (Mahomes). Broncos- No (Flacco). Chargers. Maybe not (Rivers). Raiders- Maybe/maybe not (Carr). 

3, maybe 4, other teams might be interested in signing him. No much of a market for Dak. And maybe Gruden might pull plug on Carr. Teams can also go to draft for a QB. We also need to look at what Dak wants (contract).

 

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11 minutes ago, gameshowfan91 said:

A Cowboys fan on their message board mentions this: "Watching Rush and White play supplied him with some leverage."

They could/ could have gotten someone like Fitzpatrick or Keenum  or even draft one low to gain some leverage on Dak. Even then, what teams are going to want Dak?

Eagles No way (Wentz). Giants- Probably not (E. Manning and D. Jones). Redskins- No (Haskins). NFC North- No (Rodgers, Stafford, Cousins, and Trubisky). Seahawks, 49ers, and Cardinals- No (Wilson, Garopollo, and Murray). Rams- Probably not (Goff). Falcons and Panthers- No (Ryan and Newton). Saints and Buccaneers. Maybe (Brees and Winston). Patriots, Jets, and Bills- No (Brady [and they don't really overpay], Darnold, and Allen). Dolphins. Maybe not (Rosen). Colts- Probably not (Luck). Texans- No (Watson). Jaguars- No (Foles). Titans- Probably/maybe not (Mariots and Tannehill).  Steelers, Ravens, and Browns- No (Ben R. & Rudolph, L. Jackson, and Mayfield). Bengals- Maybe/maybe not (Dalton. Owner doesn't really like paying for FAs). Chiefs- No way (Mahomes). Broncos- No (Flacco). Chargers. Maybe not (Rivers). Raiders- Maybe/maybe not (Carr). 

3, maybe 4, other teams might be interested in signing him. No much of a market for Dak. And maybe Gruden might pull plug on Carr. 

 

That's actually not a horrible assessment overall, but, saying no for the Chargers and Steelers isn't really backed up by mentioning Roethlisberger and Rivers. Both are from the 04 class, aren't spring chickens, and the idea of retirement has been thrown around a bit for both of them. Both organizations are not far off from having to think of life beyond their incumbents. 

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20 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

That's actually not a horrible assessment overall, but, saying no for the Chargers and Steelers isn't really backed up by mentioning Roethlisberger and Rivers. Both are from the 04 class, aren't spring chickens, and the idea of retirement has been thrown around a bit for both of them. Both organizations are not far off from having to think of life beyond their incumbents. 

For Steelers, Rudolph just might their QB going forward after Big Ben. Plus, Ben becomes a FA in 2022. For Chargers, they just might keep him around for another 1-2 more years. If not, they might roll with T. Taylor while they draft a QB in 2020. Plus we need to look at what Dak wants (contract). Forgot to mention that teams can go to draft for a QB.

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44 minutes ago, gameshowfan91 said:

For Steelers, Rudolph just might their QB going forward after Big Ben. Plus, Ben becomes a FA in 2022. For Chargers, they just might keep him around for another 1-2 more years. If not, they might roll with T. Taylor while they draft a QB in 2020. Plus we need to look at what Dak wants (contract). Forgot to mention that teams can go to draft for a QB.

I wasn't saying any of that to imply they may want Dak. Only that their incumbents aren't far from retirement, and shouldn't be the reason they don't consider someone like Dak if he became available.

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2 hours ago, gameshowfan91 said:

A Cowboys fan on their message board mentions this: "Watching Rush and White play supplied him with some leverage."

They could/ could have gotten someone like Fitzpatrick or Keenum  or even draft one low to gain some leverage on Dak. Even then, what teams are going to want Dak?

NFC: Eagles No way (Wentz). Giants- Probably not (E. Manning and D. Jones). Redskins- No (Haskins). NFC North- No (Rodgers, Stafford, Cousins, and Trubisky). Seahawks, 49ers, and Cardinals- No (Wilson, Garopollo, and Murray). Rams- Probably not (Goff). Falcons and Panthers- No (Ryan and Newton). Saints and Buccaneers. Maybe (Brees and Winston).

AFC: Patriots, Jets, and Bills- No (Brady [and they don't really overpay], Darnold, and Allen). Dolphins. Maybe not (Rosen). Colts- Probably not (Luck). Texans- No (Watson). Jaguars- No (Foles). Titans- Probably/maybe not (Mariots and Tannehill).  Steelers, Ravens, and Browns- No (Ben R. & Rudolph, L. Jackson, and Mayfield). Bengals- Maybe/maybe not (Dalton. Owner doesn't really like paying for FAs Maybe they go to draft for one). Chiefs- No way (Mahomes). Broncos- No (Flacco). Chargers. Maybe not (Rivers). Raiders- Maybe/maybe not (Carr). 

3, maybe 4, other teams might be interested in signing him. No much of a market for Dak. And maybe Gruden might pull plug on Carr. Teams can also go to draft for a QB. We also need to look at what Dak wants (contract).

 

To play devil's advocate, quite a few of those no's can turn into yes after a year. Injury. Poor performance. Suspension. Anything can happen 

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3 hours ago, gameshowfan91 said:

A Cowboys fan on their message board mentions this: "Watching Rush and White play supplied him with some leverage."

They could/ could have gotten someone like Fitzpatrick or Keenum  or even draft one low to gain some leverage on Dak. Even then, what teams are going to want Dak?

NFC: Eagles No way (Wentz). Giants- Probably not (E. Manning and D. Jones). Redskins- No (Haskins). NFC North- No (Rodgers, Stafford, Cousins, and Trubisky). Seahawks, 49ers, and Cardinals- No (Wilson, Garopollo, and Murray). Rams- Probably not (Goff). Falcons and Panthers- No (Ryan and Newton). Saints and Buccaneers. Maybe (Brees and Winston).

AFC: Patriots, Jets, and Bills- No (Brady [and they don't really overpay], Darnold, and Allen). Dolphins. Maybe not (Rosen). Colts- Probably not (Luck). Texans- No (Watson). Jaguars- No (Foles). Titans- Probably/maybe not (Mariots and Tannehill).  Steelers, Ravens, and Browns- No (Ben R. & Rudolph, L. Jackson, and Mayfield). Bengals- Maybe/maybe not (Dalton. Owner doesn't really like paying for FAs Maybe they go to draft for one). Chiefs- No way (Mahomes). Broncos- No (Flacco). Chargers. Maybe not (Rivers). Raiders- Maybe/maybe not (Carr). 

3, maybe 4, other teams might be interested in signing him. No much of a market for Dak. And maybe Gruden might pull plug on Carr. Teams can also go to draft for a QB. We also need to look at what Dak wants (contract).

 

 

The NFL enters 2019 with a record low amount of franchises who are actively looking for a franchise Qb.  But that doesn't mean in any way that there won't be plenty openings over the next couple years.  About 10 teams have unproven young guys and some of them won't pan out including Mariota and Winston.  Are we 100% sold on Goff or Trubisky?  Throw in guys like Roth and Brees and yes Brady who are a big hit away from the injury that ends their careers.  There are also crossroads vets like Carr and Dalton.

 

If Dak hits the market he will have suitors.

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26 minutes ago, paco said:

To play devil's advocate, quite a few of those no's can turn into yes after a year. Injury. Poor performance. Suspension. Anything can happen 

Yeah, I wouldn't put the Bucs as a 'maybe', I'd put them as a 'yes' because Winston is essentially a bust and they'll be ready to move on soon (if not already). I'd probably put the Ravens at a 'maybe', even though they just drafted Jackson. I don't know that he'll pan out. Also the Jags, they have Foles... that dude can't win anything... oh, wait...

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1 hour ago, dawkins4prez said:

 

The NFL enters 2019 with a record low amount of franchises who are actively looking for a franchise Qb.  But that doesn't mean in any way that there won't be plenty openings over the next couple years.  About 10 teams have unproven young guys and some of them won't pan out including Mariota and Winston.  Are we 100% sold on Goff or Trubisky?  Throw in guys like Roth and Brees and yes Brady who are a big hit away from the injury that ends their careers.  There are also crossroads vets like Carr and Dalton.

 

If Dak hits the market he will have suitors.

His contract ends after this year, and Dak will want a long-term deal.  Do you really think teams will give up on their young guys so soon?

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6 minutes ago, gameshowfan91 said:

His contract ends after this year, and Dak will want a long-term deal.  Do you really think teams will give up on their young guys so soon?

 

Without getting into too many tangents, yes I think there will be a half dozen teams looking for new franchise Qb's next year.  Plus he could be franchised so it could be 2021

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2 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

 

The NFL enters 2019 with a record low amount of franchises who are actively looking for a franchise Qb.  But that doesn't mean in any way that there won't be plenty openings over the next couple years.  About 10 teams have unproven young guys and some of them won't pan out including Mariota and Winston.  Are we 100% sold on Goff or Trubisky?  Throw in guys like Roth and Brees and yes Brady who are a big hit away from the injury that ends their careers.  There are also crossroads vets like Carr and Dalton.

 

If Dak hits the market he will have suitors.

Mariota and Winston haven’t done anything. Of course Rams will keep Goff he took them to the SB. What happens if Wentz gets hurt again this season? Two preseason games and two QB’s hurt. They are tied to him now because of his contract. 

Dallas will sign Dak. If he continues to win like he has it don’t matter how many yards he throws for or any other stat. Besides he plays his best ball when it counts the most and we didn’t have that with Romo. 

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23 minutes ago, gch said:

Mariota and Winston haven’t done anything. Of course Rams will keep Goff he took them to the SB. What happens if Wentz gets hurt again this season? Two preseason games and two QB’s hurt. They are tied to him now because of his contract. 

Dallas will sign Dak. If he continues to win like he has it don’t matter how many yards he throws for or any other stat. Besides he plays his best ball when it counts the most and we didn’t have that with Romo. 

I agree with all of this, but what if this becomes a Steelers RB?WR type of situation?  You can't just shop for that kind of talent in the NFL.

Goff is next level QB when he's on, and IMHO not in the same class as Dak, who is good, just not as good as Goff.  Not many are, but that's OK.  As far as injuries, come on, what NFL team can expect to play at a high level when thier starter goes down.  NY Giants only carried two QBs on the reg. season roster for many years, knowing after that, who cares?

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8 hours ago, gameshowfan91 said:

A Cowboys fan on their message board mentions this: "Watching Rush and White play supplied him with some leverage."

They could/ could have gotten someone like Fitzpatrick or Keenum  or even draft one low to gain some leverage on Dak. Even then, what teams are going to want Dak?

NFC: Eagles No way (Wentz). Giants- Probably not (E. Manning and D. Jones). Redskins- No (Haskins). NFC North- No (Rodgers, Stafford, Cousins, and Trubisky). Seahawks, 49ers, and Cardinals- No (Wilson, Garopollo, and Murray). Rams- Probably not (Goff). Falcons and Panthers- No (Ryan and Newton). Saints and Buccaneers. Maybe (Brees and Winston).

AFC: Patriots, Jets, and Bills- No (Brady [and they don't really overpay], Darnold, and Allen). Dolphins. Maybe not (Rosen). Colts- Probably not (Luck). Texans- No (Watson). Jaguars- No (Foles). Titans- Probably/maybe not (Mariots and Tannehill).  Steelers, Ravens, and Browns- No (Ben R. & Rudolph, L. Jackson, and Mayfield). Bengals- Maybe/maybe not (Dalton. Owner doesn't really like paying for FAs Maybe they go to draft for one). Chiefs- No way (Mahomes). Broncos- No (Flacco). Chargers. Maybe not (Rivers). Raiders- Maybe/maybe not (Carr). 

3, maybe 4, other teams might be interested in signing him. No much of a market for Dak. And maybe Gruden might pull plug on Carr. Teams can also go to draft for a QB. We also need to look at what Dak wants (contract).

 

Sure Dak will have his suitors but not at the price he's allegedly asking for. The thing he needs to do is show he's capable of carrying a team and get rid of the notion that he can do it without Zeke. If Zeke is dead serious on not playing without a new contract and is ultimately traded then all the pressure is on Dak in 2019. Until then, a glorified game manager is not worthy of being the highest paid player in NFL history at $40 million avg per year

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42 minutes ago, heavywchamp said:

Sure Dak will have his suitors but not at the price he's allegedly asking for. The thing he needs to do is show he's capable of carrying a team and get rid of the notion that he can do it without Zeke. If Zeke is dead serious on not playing without a new contract and is ultimately traded then all the pressure is on Dak in 2019. Until then, a glorified game manager is not worthy of being the highest paid player in NFL history at $40 million avg per year

Dude Dak is not getting $40 a year. You can’t seriously believe that, besides the report was false. Dallas is playing hardball with Zeke and Stephen Jones knows he has a young roster with a lot of talent that he has to pay for the ones he want to keep. 

 

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3 hours ago, gch said:

Mariota and Winston haven’t done anything. Of course Rams will keep Goff he took them to the SB. What happens if Wentz gets hurt again this season? Two preseason games and two QB’s hurt. They are tied to him now because of his contract. 

Dallas will sign Dak. If he continues to win like he has it don’t matter how many yards he throws for or any other stat. Besides he plays his best ball when it counts the most and we didn’t have that with Romo. 

Will you guys still win if Zeke is still holding out?

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2 hours ago, mike030270 said:

Will you guys still win if Zeke is still holding out?

Good question? Sure we would win games but when you have a player like Zeke and he isn’t playing you loose a part of your offense.  No one can do it by them selves. Take the best receiver away from Wentz and see what happens. Besides Brady who has won with the least amount of talent around him I’m not sure anyone else has that ability. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, gch said:

Good question? Sure we would win games but when you have a player like Zeke and he isn’t playing you loose a part of your offense.  No one can do it by them selves. Take the best receiver away from Wentz and see what happens. Besides Brady who has won with the least amount of talent around him I’m not sure anyone else has that ability. 

Foles started 2018 without Jeffrey and some others and the pitchforks were up for him again about 7 months after the Super Bowl (not from everyone but from lots of knuckleheads)

  • Football Outsiders will tell you that Foles led the league in inefficient completions rate last year (without pointing out that most of them were weeks 1 and 2)
  • Its like its hard to move the ball in the NFL with DeAndre Carter, Joshua Perkins, and Kamar Aiken getting 15 targets over 2 games.
  • Strange how he came back in December and Jeffrey went off for 300 yards in those 3 games.

All QBs are better when their best players are on the field.

If Zeke were to miss a bunch of games the Cowboys probably go 3-4 into the bye week and beg him to return.

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Goff just signed his extension. $134 million with $110 million guaranteed.

Go get yours Dak!! He deserve so much more money then Goff and Wentz that it should dwarf their contracts.

 

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28 minutes ago, Pallidrone said:

Goff just signed his extension. $134 million with $110 million guaranteed.

Go get yours Dak!! He deserve so much more money then Goff and Wentz that it should dwarf their contracts.

 

Lol it pays to be an NFL QB. Both those guys are over paid for what they have done so far and Dak will be also. Goff got them to the SB but none of these guys are Brady. 

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2 minutes ago, pisceschica said:

:lol:

 

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What was Eagles supposed to do? Not pay Wentz until next year where it would have been more expensive? Cowboys had their chance to get Dak locked up with a contract.

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